Legedu taking number 17

[Scrumtrilescent]

I hear the Redskins are gonna retire Timmy Smith's number next month.

[Jase]

You don't retire a jersey for losing a superbowl.

That would make all of us losers.

yes, but you do retire a jersey for a guy who plays in 2 losing seasons out of three in the twilight of his mostly Saints career.

[Panthro]

Yup.

Brad Johnson Games Started 125 Record 72-53-0 57%

Jake Delhomme Games Started 96 Record 56-40-0 58%

Almost the same win %

BJ - 82.5 QBR

JD - 81.2 QBR

They are the same except 1 won a Super Bowl. No one in Tampa has even thought to retire his number.

[The Saltman]

Logic

LOL

[CatMan72]

Brad Johnson Games Started 125 Record 72-53-0 57%

Jake Delhomme Games Started 96 Record 56-40-0 58%

Almost the same win %

BJ - 82.5 QBR

JD - 81.2 QBR

They are the same except 1 won a Super Bowl. No one in Tampa has even thought to retire his number.

Apples/Oranges as far as what Jake meant to this organization vs. what Brad meant to the Bucs.

This really comes down to a matter of opinion so there's no point arguing about who is "right".

Sam Mills is not one of the all-time greats at LB, so why have we unofficially retired his #? It's because he meant more to this team then just his on-field performance.

If you were to make a Mt. Rushmore of the Panthers right now, I think Jake's face belongs on it and his # deserves consideration for retirement.

Bottom line, this is a silly discussion since the Panthers don't retire numbers. I would just prefer to not see someone running around out there in # 17, too soon for my taste.

[CatMan72]

I hear the Redskins are gonna retire Timmy Smith's number next month.

Yes, because in the whole history of the Redskins Smith has meant as much to them as Jake has meant to us...

[The Saltman]

Football is a game and a business. Not a lifetime movie.

[Gipetto]

where would with team be if jake was never picked up

[Panthro]

Apples/Oranges as far as what Jake meant to this organization vs. what Brad meant to the Bucs.

This really comes down to a matter of opinion so there's no point arguing about who is "right".

Sam Mills is not one of the all-time greats at LB, so why have we unofficially retired his #? It's because he meant more to this team then just his on-field performance.

If you were to make a Mt. Rushmore of the Panthers right now, I think Jake's face belongs on it and his # deserves consideration for retirement.

Bottom line, this is a silly discussion since the Panthers don't retire numbers. I would just prefer to not see someone running around out there in # 17, too soon for my taste.

Jake might have meant that much to you and again that's your opinion.

I hope he does do the 1 day contract and retire a Panther....but we better not be paying for his plane ticket or hotel.

[Panthro]

where would with team be if jake was never picked up

Instead of 8-8 maybe 7-9

[CatMan72]

Football is a game and a business. Not a lifetime movie.

In that case, please explain what Sam Mills did as Panther to deserve a statue?

[Jase]

Apples/Oranges as far as what Jake meant to this organization vs. what Brad meant to the Bucs.

This really comes down to a matter of opinion so there's no point arguing about who is "right".

Sam Mills is not one of the all-time greats at LB, so why have we unofficially retired his #? It's because he meant more to this team then just his on-field performance.

If you were to make a Mt. Rushmore of the Panthers right now, I think Jake's face belongs on it and his # deserves consideration for retirement.

Bottom line, this is a silly discussion since the Panthers don't retire numbers. I would just prefer to not see someone running around out there in # 17, too soon for my taste.

#51 was retired in 2005.

[CatMan72]

#51 was retired in 2005.

That's correct, and we did that not long after he died in April of 2005, so we all know it had as much if not more to do with who he was off the field and what he meant to this organization as it did with his performance.

I'm not arguing against retiring Mills # or giving him a statue, just pointing out the decision to retire a # isn't always a matter of performance and how many SB's you won... it's based on what you meant to the organization as well and Jake meant a lot to this organization as evidenced by the press conference they held when he was cut.

[The Saltman]

Him also being one of the best linebackers in the last 20 yrs had something to do with it.