No Will Allen

[C47]

I'm glad your not.

But But But Mr. Richardson, I inherited a bad team, you shouldn't expect improvement after one year! It's not like other teams have improved so quickly in the modern NFL!

Rivera has made it clear on numerous occasions-No excuses.

Building a team to develop with a rookie QB isn't an excuse it's smart. You don't go out and sign guys that are going to be gone when your rookie develops. If you did that then you would just have to replace that player when Cam was ready to take the team to the next level. Contrary to most of your beliefs, unless Cam plays insanely better then his preseason performances this team isn't making the playoffs this year. So tell me, why should we go out and spend money on a stop gap when we will just need another when this team is ready to take the next step. Instead, the coaching staff is being realistic and addressing the positions of need with players who they think will develop into impact players by the time their QB is ready. If there was a Leon Hall, Leodis McKelvin or some other YOUNG CB out there and we didn't grab then I would completely understand your frustration, but not over Will Allen. He simply doesn't fit what the coaching staff is looking for....

[Proudiddy]

Who develops with the QB doesn't have much to do with the absence of a starting CB opposite Gamble, IMO.

[KillerKat]

2 out of our 3 needs can easily be filled through FA. CB needs to be filled with our first pick of next years draft. That's why it should be alright to find a good stop cap CB for this season.

[panther4life]

I smell a Hurney trade...does Rosenhaus represent any CB's who could be on market?

[Cat'sGrowl]

Building a team to develop with a rookie QB isn't an excuse it's smart. You don't go out and sign guys that are going to be gone when your rookie develops. If you did that then you would just have to replace that player when Cam was ready to take the team to the next level. Contrary to most of your beliefs' date=' unless Cam plays insanely better then his preseason performances this team isn't making the playoffs this year. So tell me, why should we go out and spend money on a stop gap when we will just need another when this team is ready to take the next step. Instead, the coaching staff is being realistic and addressing the positions of need with players who they think will develop into impact players by the time their QB is ready. If there was a Leon Hall, Leodis McKelvin or some other YOUNG CB out there and we didn't grab then I would completely understand your frustration, but not over Will Allen. He simply doesn't fit what the coaching staff is looking for....[/quote']

lolwut?

Signing a stop gap CB to tie down the hole on one side of our defense (since Rivera's foremost goal is winning games asap) is going to stunt Newton's development?

Well now I am even more glad you aren't coaching.

[C47]

I smell a Hurney trade...does Rosenhaus represent any CB's who could be on market?

I'll fuel your tinfoil hat theory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Rosenhaus#NFL_clients

[C47]

lolwut?

Signing a stop gap CB to tie down the hole on one side of our defense (since Rivera's foremost goal is winning games asap) is going to stunt Newton's development?

Well now I am even more glad you aren't coaching.

Tell me where in that I said it would "stunt Cam's development" go ahead show me....

[Cat'sGrowl]

Building a team to develop with a rookie QB isn't an excuse it's smart. You don't go out and sign guys that are going to be gone when your rookie develops

You're essentially saying you're scared of having holes on our team in the future.

It's going to happen either way. We are going to have to draft players to fill in those positions next year. That's football my man. Rivera, thankfully, unlike yourself, isn't going to wait around losing games waiting for those holes to expose themselves when that can be identified in practice. Take some notes from how New England has done it.

[panther4life]

I'll fuel your tinfoil hat theory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Rosenhaus#NFL_clients

Thanks for the link...not representing to many corners, but he is Lito's agent and also represents Tommie Harris

[C47]

You're essentially saying you're scared of having holes on our team in the future.

It's going to happen either way. We are going to have to draft players to fill in those positions next year. That's football my man. Rivera, thankfully, unlike yourself, isn't going to wait around losing games waiting for those holes to expose themselves when that can be identified in practice. Take some notes from how New England has done it.

Ne England for the most part has done it by NOT paying players who are past their prime. New England is the worst example of the point you are trying to make buddy... So have you found where I said signing Will Allen would stunt Cam Newton's growth yet :lol:...

[KillerKat]

I will be surprised if Hurney goes into week 1 being alright with the CBs we have now. He knows it needs to be fixed and if he still wants a job next year, he better fix it soon. I think this week is a crucial point for Hurney's career with us.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Ne England for the most part has done it by NOT paying players who are past their prime. New England is the worst example of the point you are trying to make buddy... So have you found where I said signing Will Allen would stunt Cam Newton's growth yet :lol:...

Ooh, you just did yourself in with that one buddy. New England CONSTANTLY brings in veteran talent to fill in until their young players are either developed or have proven in practice that they aren't capable of playing.

I'm going to assume you don't actually believe that and are just trying to save face. It's okay. I won't hold it against you. Just know that the best run organizations don't throw young players out there just to make sure they can cut them with a clear conscience later. Veterans hold the line, while the young players learn. It's just how the good team operate. It's why these waivers are so important to begin with. Sometimes you get lucky and a team will release a talented player, but you don't throw away entire season because you are scared you might be cutting a solid young player or two. That's just foolish.

[Proudiddy]

Ne England for the most part has done it by NOT paying players who are past their prime. New England is the worst example of the point you are trying to make buddy... So have you found where I said signing Will Allen would stunt Cam Newton's growth yet :lol:...

No they just don't give them Jake-style extensions.

They take chances on older players and ones viewed past their prime all the time, like Will Allen. Examples off the top of my head:

Junior Seau

Randy Moss

Ochocinco

Tyrone Poole

there's plenty more, but I don't feel like researching...

[C47]

There is a huge difference in the talent level of Ocho Cinco, Shaun Ellis and even Albert Haynesworth then Will fuging Allen. The guy isn't even that great, he's just the best option of the trash available. It's pretty obvious if you look at the make up of the team what our FO and coaching staff is doing. They are building a YOUNG team that can be a contender for awhile several years down the line. You don't do that by bringing in a stop gap CB to take playing time away from the young guys you believe in. Like I said if there was a young proven CB out there I would fully understand why you're pissed but that's just not the case....I see you have admitted defeat on the asinine assumption you made....keep raging, this staff has a plan in place and it's pretty fuging obvious from the moves we're making...