Cam's Amazing Stats... Not Kidding

[panthers55]

I would only go to a doctor that uses traditionally accepted methods that have been proven over decades to be successful.

Is it a coincidence that Vick ONLY went to the NFC Champ game in Atl when he had his best passing year?

Then don't get cancer. The survival rate improvements are going to unconventional, experimental regimes using the latest and newest drugs not the drugs and methods from decades ago.

As the NFL evolves and changes you will find that the conventional acceptable methods don't work as well any more either. In a decade one of the most prevalent offenses in the NFL will be the spread. Mark it down.

[teeray]

BTW how far TRD has fallen when he has to use a 20 yard gain to try and say negative things :rofl:

So weak.

[#1 Panthers Fan]

Do you think Cam would think twice about running if he ran into say...Ray Lewis?

[Guest]

"cam had 20 yards of open field ahead of him but ran the ball instead of throwing it so i'm mad about it"

i don't give a fug if cam "regresses" into a fuging infant as long as he's ripping off 20 yard runs with ease

[Proudiddy]

LOL @ debating whether he should've run, which he did for a first down and more, or pass so defensive backs could crash down on Smitty, possibly before the first down... But we don't know what would've happened.

What did happen was a first down.

What also happened was, by running the ball, Cam turned Smitty into a blocker, at the least a shield, to pick up even more yards... Whereas if he threw to Smitty, Smitty wouldn't have had the same benefit.

Part of the reason Smitty came open was because Cam broke the pocket... The guy playing zone stayed home and didn't pick up Smitty moving across because he was busy looking in the backfield.

Some people try so hard to be knowledgeable about this game and they don't have a clue because their own biases blind them from how flawed their arguments really are.

[rayzor]

Then don't get cancer. The survival rate improvements are going to unconventional, experimental regimes using the latest and newest drugs not the drugs and methods from decades ago.

As the NFL evolves and changes you will find that the conventional acceptable methods don't work as well any more either. In a decade one of the most prevalent offenses in the NFL will be the spread. Mark it down.

thats why fox became obsolete. he didn't accept that the game was fundamentally changing. if you don't take advantage of the gifts that are coming in the way of players to the league and keep forcing round pegs into square holes, expecting all players to fit into fixed roles then you do nothing but create a mediocre at best legacy. you either ride the wave or get knocked over.

totally agreed on the spread spreading to the NFL and taking over, only it won't take a decade for it to happen. it's been used for years by several teams and it's been used successfully. packers used it to beat the steelers last year. good read by pat kirwin following the superbowl talking about the impact the packers using it is going to have on the league. http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story/09000d5d81e45302/article/expect-teams-to-study-copy-packers-plan-of-attack-vs-steelers

[rayzor]

I'd rather him hit Smitty, and in a different circumstance I'd agree with you.. From what little I've seen, I think he's tried to be primarily a pocket passer. I find it hard to believe he knows 90% of the playbook, so I donno what Weinke was trying to say.. maybe JR paid him to hype up the fans.

I agree that if Cam knew 90%, he would anticipate Smitty being open there. I also think that is something that takes time and we both agree Cam isn't there with a total understanding and memorization of every nook and cranny..

but that pocket wasn't set (or was set exactly at the moment he ran), OLine hasn't proven he should trust it and would have yet again proven that if Stew wasn't there, so if he runs and gets 20 yards, I'm good with that..

just my point of view.. but I think it's pretty accurate to that particular situation though.

it is possible to know something and not have it second nature. it usually takes time for things to become reflex.

i have no doubt that he has learned most of the playbook or at least he's had it installed, but it might not be instilled in him. that will come with experience.

[teeray]

Maybe that play was a ten percenter.

[CRA]

Is it a coincidence that Vick ONLY went to the NFC Champ game in Atl when he had his best passing year?

And if Vick played 16 instead of 15 games that year he potentially could of been a 1000 yard rusher. He had over 900 yards on the ground in 15 games.

His legs have always made his game what it is....and the fear to this day he can take off

[Proudiddy]

And if Vick played 16 instead of 15 games that year he potentially could of been a 1000 yard rusher. He had over 900 yards on the ground in 15 games.

His legs have always made his game what it is....and the fear to this day he can take off

Which is why people can keep beating this dead horse but their opinion isn't going to change the fact that a mobile QB is the hardest to defend. Even Aaron Rodgers... Roethlisberger... And then to a greater degree Vick... If a QB can run, the defense can't fully commit to anything, and most often have to take a guy out of coverage or the pass rush to spy the QB.

That in itself is an advantage to our offense every single play.

[TheRealDeal]

They blitzed him all out on that play. The DE was coming around the end and 2 linebackers were coming right at him until the RB took one of them out and he stepped up to his left. When Newton stepped up he saw a lane open up and nothing but green grass in front of him. On third down you get the first down and then worry about Smitty. If it were Clausen or Naderson then I agree they should have thrown the ball, but with Newton right now he was better off running. Expect to see a bunch more of it this year.

For someone questioning his accuracy, why would he throw a pass and risk a poor one throwing on the run when he can easily run for a first down. Makes no sense.

Rushing 5 guys is now an "all out blitz"

:lol:

[I am Hubby]

Rushing 5 guys is now an "all out blitz"

:lol:

Not really any of my business, but, was there any reason you felt the need to comment on this? Could you not just let it slide? I really want to learn, please help me.

[TheRealDeal]

Because people exaggerate to build Cam's hype and use it as an excuse on why he made the wrong decision.

If he freaks out when 5 guys rush and it's picked up perfectly by the line and RB, he should not be on the field.

4-5 guys is a standard rush in the NFL, not an "all out blitz"

[TheRealDeal]

They say the pocket collapses, it's an all out blitz, #54 was going to tackle smitty (my personal favorite :lol:), guaranteed first down, etc etc etc.

He hit the top of his drop and ran. No scanning the field, no check down, nothing.

It worked this time, but that's how you take big plays and ultimately points away, killing them before they begin.