Pat Yasinskas "unleash Newton"

[King Taharqa]

As much as I support Cam, if you're sitting there with the # 1 overall pick again next year and Luck is on the board, I think you have to strongly consider taking him.

He will simply go back to school.

[pantherfan81]

:thumbsup:

[Sloth]

As much as I support Cam, if you're sitting there with the # 1 overall pick again next year and Luck is on the board, I think you have to strongly consider taking him.

With the multitude of picks we'd get for him? One year after drafting Newton? I don't think so, personally. They'd be able to jump the rebuilding process quite a bit by trading out.

[Sloth]

He will simply go back to school.

Or pull an Eli.

[micnificent28]

I'm not interested in him running. Running QB's do not win Superbowls.

I am interesting in him learning to use his feet properly to buy time in the pocket.

Those QB's do win Superbowls.

I think thats b.s its a unfair statistic. thats like saying black qbs dont win super bowls. why? because there is such a small number of them in positions to attempt the feat. If 90% of qbs are pocket passers who has the better chance of winning the super bowl?

[Mr ocho nueve]

I think thats b.s its a unfair statistic. thats like saying black qbs dont win super bowls. why? because there is such a small number of them in positions to attempt the feat. If 90% of qbs are pocket passers who has the better chance of winning the super bowl?

We don't play the race card on here anymore.

[Cat'sGrowl]

I think thats b.s its a unfair statistic. thats like saying black qbs dont win super bowls. why? because there is such a small number of them in positions to attempt the feat. If 90% of qbs are pocket passers who has the better chance of winning the super bowl?

Someone's about to make the argument that their is a reason that 90% of QB's are pocket passers. When they do, play the race card. No. Seriously. Because in this case it's true.

The fact of the matter is that black people are typically more athletic than white people, meaning at a young age, black people will get pushed into positions where their athleticism is more suited and better utilized, ie. WR, RB. It really isn't a racial thing, there isn't anything wrong with it, that's just the way it happens.

[teeray]

Your personal understanding of what is said doesn't dictate whether or not it makes sense. You're leaving out key factors.

if the team is sitting at #1, and Cam showed great promise, then now, Luck will not be on the team, but if Cam either got injured before showing anything, or survived the season and completed only 40% of his passes for the season, then Luck will be drafted. If you don't think so, that's just you hoping. I don't care whether they draft him or not, I'm just telling you how the Panthers will decide, based on them actually wanting Luck last Draft.

Luck is a Senior. He had a redshirt year, but he's still a Senior at Stanford, along with the guys who were in his Freshmen class, who he claims he returned to school for. He won't be going back to Stanford.

When the Panthers drafted Cam Newton they closed the door on ever drafting Andrew Luck (unless Luck goes back to school again for his redshirt senior year).

They invested $22 million into a guy that they know is going to take time to develop.

Is there a chance they could still draft Luck?? Sure. But it is a very slim chance.

I can say this as a logician myself. The Panthers didn't draft Cam Newton, pay him $22 million guaranteed, and use their only pick in the first two rounds of the draft just so they could "See if we want Andrew Luck in 2012"

Luck will not be a Panther no matter what happens this year. It would have to be a hellscape of epic proportions that is 5x worse than Clausen's rookie year for it to even be considered. The amount of leverage in terms of draft picks next year if we had the number 1 pick would be enormous and we could name our price for the pick.

The last thing on Ron Rivera's mind right now is "I better start Cam right now to see if I want Luck next year" That is ridiculous on its face. It is laughable. By the time Rivera got through this year and next year with another adjustment period for a rookie, by the time Luck finally felt comfortable enough to become something decent Rivera would be the linebackers coach for the Bears because he would have been fired.

As a logician you should see that it just isn't logical for Andrew Luck to be anywhere near our radar now or in the future.

[CatMan72]

He will simply go back to school.

Perhaps, but I don't think his decision to return to school had anything to do with us.

If Luck is as smart as they say he is, he would realize that we're a pretty good team to be drafted # 1 overall by. How many teams have gone 12-4 and had the # 1 overall pick just two years later. He could do a lot worse then to be drafted by us # 1 overall... Bengals, Jags or Bills anyone?

Again, I'm not expressing any doubt in Cam... I think he's going to be special - but in a hypothetical situation if things have been bad enough to earn you the # 1 overall pick again and Luck is still considered the prospect he was last year, then I think you have to strongly consider taking him unless Cam has showed you enough to believe he can develop into "the guy".

[I am Hubby]

By logician, I mean, I'm focused on what makes sense, not from my own personal perspective, but from trying to consider everything that can be considered on the issue.

This is not about love or hate for me like it is for most "fans". The Panthers have a plan, and they're sticking to it. It's much more interesting to discuss what that plan might be, and it's not limited to "Cam is our guy", despite what they say in public. They'll take Luck in a heartbeat if Cam crashes and burns and they can.

"They" will.

I understand that you have your own way of looking at things, I can even appreciate it. I just took your KNOWING the rationale the Panthers used in taking Cameron as a little over the top.

You are not the first person to realize the Panthers are in a tough spot. If Zod forbid Cameron never gets it, we are in trouble. Claiming the Panthers plan B is taking Luck should that happen, is like taking credit where credit is not due.

Cameron can stink it up this year, and the Panthers still will not take Luck. That may not be a fact, but it is probably the truth.

And GOOOOO PANTHRERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cat'sGrowl]

I've gotta ask why you call him Cameron.

[Punisher]

Riveria(sitting in a circle drinking beer with other coaches): Lol lets draft Newton.

Chud: What if he sucks.

Riveria: That is fine we will just draft Luck next lolz.

This is how it happened.

[sharkkiller]

I'm neither a hater or a lover, I'm a logician.

Just because the Panthers don't speak this into news cycles, doesn't mean it's not in the atmosphere surrounding their decision making.

If Luck had come out, someone who everyone knows can make Pro-level throws because they've seen it on a consistent basis just like they saw Manning do in college, and Luck was struggling in the Preseason, I doubt he'd be starting the first game, just like Rivers didn't. Cam is, not just because he needs "experience", but because the Panthers need all questions answered before next years Draft.

If you don't want to hear it, tough.

By the way, Luck is as big and as strong as Newton, and ran as well when he needed to, but because his passing ability and experience in a pro-style offense were his two main strengths, they wouldn't have felt the need to rush him.

P.S. Just because you see the name "Luck" in a post, doesn't mean that post is about Luck. This is still about the Panthers, and why they're doing what they're doing, duh.

[CatMan72]

...but to get back on topic, I believe the Panthers are planning to "unleash" Newton it terms of a series of designed QB running plays when the regular season rolls around.

It will only take one or two significant gains on running plays by Cam to change the tone of the defense in any given game, they'll have to back off and play to contain him rather than come after him and that will open things up for everyone else.

If you have to dedicate a spy to the QB it's one less guy in coverage or on blitzes, so you end up with true 11 on 11 football. In addition to the designed QB running plays, defenses will always have to consider Cam's ability to tuck the ball and go get a 1st down on his own when things break down.

3rd down in particular will be interesting... if we spread it out 4-wide do you put a dime package on the field and risk Cam running or do you leave a LB out there and risk a mismatch with one of our receivers or TE's? If you put a LB out there in the best case scenario you would line him up on the TE, which in our case means Greg Olsen, good luck with that!

Every team on our schedule saw what happened in the Bengals game when a safety ends up 1 on 1 with Cam...