Newton: "It's About Trusting The System"

[pantherclaw]

First off, most quarterbacks have to throw off their back foot when they are getting pressured. They also have to side arm it, toss it, and other things to make a play. He doesn't do it when he has time and can step up in his throws. Too much is being made of it.

What he is talking about is knowing where a receiver is going to be and throwing to a spot trusting that the receiver is going to be there to make a play. If you watch his throws many of them are arriving late because he is waiting for the receiver to get open before he throws. By the time the ball gets there, the defender has closed on the receiver and can easily make a play on the ball. You could see that with Smitty on several occasions in the last game. Smitty was open for a moment but by the time Cam found him and threw it, he wasn't open anymore.

That is what he means by trusting the system. It was also the main issue with Newton at the combine where he was used to throwing to a receiver not a spot on a timing route. That is a much bigger issue for Cam at this point. Plus if he throws on a timing route instead of holding the ball until someone clears, he is much more likely not to be pressured which results in many of the back foot throws.

the first post in this thread, that got it right.

[MadHatter]

No need to get all pissy and immature here. I just actually used your exact words in your post and repeated them back to you. Why does it piss you off when all I did was use the same language you did??

Besides saying if you don't like it, don't read it, is really stupid. How would I know if I didn't like it until after I read it????

My exact words, huh?

When did I EVER say "So why keep bitching about something that is going to happen anyway"?

You did not agree with my opinion and you call it "bitching". It is as plain and simple as that.

I don't agree with about 85% of what you write. But, I respect you opinion (no matter how ridiculous it is)

I find many of your posts to be pompous and arrogant....but I still respect your right to make them.

[jtnc]

LoL at this "running quarterback" notion will change the NFL. I've heard that BS since the mid 80's.

John Elway - When he became a pocket passer and let the runningbacks do the running he became a Superbowl champion.

Steve Young - Sat behind Cool Joe and learned the system.

Randell Cunningham - Was injuried as a runner, changed his game and had a couple good season in Minnesota as a pocket passer.

Mike Vick - Looked like a real quarterback last season thanks to Andy Reid.

Cam Newton better learn how to pass or its a short life and a wasted pick.

Vick still runs, and so does Rodgers, wtf? Is the point of sitting in the pocket and getting a sack? Why not run and take what the defense gives you and make something out of nothing. And you also forget mention big Ben who he is a superbowl Champion.

[panthers55]

LoL at this "running quarterback" notion will change the NFL. I've heard that BS since the mid 80's.

John Elway - When he became a pocket passer and let the runningbacks do the running he became a Superbowl champion.

Steve Young - Sat behind Cool Joe and learned the system.

Randell Cunningham - Was injuried as a runner, changed his game and had a couple good season in Minnesota as a pocket passer.

Mike Vick - Looked like a real quarterback last season thanks to Andy Reid.

Cam Newton better learn how to pass or its a short life and a wasted pick.

Pretty poor logic throughout.

John Elway was too big and slow to run.

Steve Young almost didn't make it in the NFl and struggled for years. It wasn't until Montana was injured that Young got his shot and he ran for tons of yards in his career. He was a high percentage passer because his routes were almost always less than 10 yards and he had Rice to throw to.

Randall Cunningham was 6-5 and 220 lbs. He was too thin to hold up. He became a pocket passer in Minnesota because he was too old to run anymore. He never had a high completion rate.

Mike Vick was never taught the WCO until he went to Philly. Plus it took going to prison before he took football seriously as a gift instead of a given.

Cam Newton is learning to be a pocket passer and runs when he needs to. How many 6'5" 250 lb quarterbacks are there in the league who can run?? 1- Josh Freeman. Seems to be working out fine for him so far and he wasn't that great his first year.

Your point was what???

[MadHatter]

Vick still runs, and so does Rodgers, wtf? Is the point of sitting in the pocket and getting a sack? Why not run and take what the defense gives you and make something out of nothing. And you also forget mention big Ben who he is a superbowl Champion.

I agree that being mobile adds another weapon to a QB's aresenal. However, an effective QB must make most of his plays in the passing game and not with his feet to truly be successful.

Guys like Elway and Vick were 10X the QB's once they developed the ability to be a top passing QB. Vick last season was 100X better than the Vick of old.

[GritsRgreat]

Vick still runs, and so does Rodgers, wtf? Is the point of sitting in the pocket and getting a sack? Why not run and take what the defense gives you and make something out of nothing. And you also forget mention big Ben who he is a superbowl Champion.

These guys (other that Vick) are excellent in the pocket. They get paid to throw the ball. It wasn't Big Ben running the ball that won them the Superbowl it was a pass to the corner of the endzone.

[pantherclaw]

Actually if you look at his history there is lots or room for optimism. When he got to Auburn and was learning a new system he was very raw. Look at his first 3 or 4 games during his Auburn season versus the last 4 or 5 games. There is a big difference. I think you will see the same thing with the Panthers. His play the second half of the season will be better than it is the first half. By next year it will be night and day.

Honestly if you stop looking at completion rates and look at how much better he is reading the field and going through progressions and running when he needs to, he has made quite a bit of progress in three weeks already. If he continues to do the same there is every reason to believe he will and the team will be much better after the bye compared to before it.

been saying that for weeks now. It won't just be cam getting better, it also be our oline gelling with the new system. The receivers on the same page as newton, our defense playing much better. The first half of the season will be rough...while there is a good chance the panthers will own the second half of their season.

[panthers55]

My exact words, huh?

When did I EVER say "So why keep bitching about something that is going to happen anyway"?

You did not agree with my opinion and you call it "bitching". It is as plain and simple as that.

I don't agree with about 85% of what you write. But, I respect you opinion (no matter how ridiculous it is)

I find many of your posts to be pompous and arrogant....but I still respect your right to make them.

Actually I was responding to the how many time do I have to tell you line. Obviously you responded to the bitching remark. I think you have every right to say your opinion and respond to the content.

Do I think you have the right to call me pompous and arrogant? That sounds like a personal attack to me. Fortunately for everyone I refrain from doing the same. Why not elevate your game so we discuss this like adults.

If you respect my right to express my opinion you wouldn't attack me in the same sentence. Seems you have boundary issues here.

[GritsRgreat]

Cam Newton is learning to be a pocket passer and runs when he needs to. How many 6'5" 250 lb quarterbacks are there in the league who can run?? 1- Josh Freeman. Seems to be working out fine for him so far and he wasn't that great his first year.

Your point was what???

So you are basing your arugument on a one year wonder who didn't beat a team with a winning record and Cam's measurements?

[SevenSixes]

If you actually listened to the interview, you'll realize Cam is saying exactly what the coaches has drilled in his head, so these aren't exactly his words, these are the words of our coaching staff. So in essence, if you disagree, take it up with Chud and Shula.

This is what I took from his comments. He has heard this ALOT and he knows that this is the issue that is hindering his progress. As I watched the Bengals / Dolphins plays over and over I got the very distinct feeling that at the last second he was often throwing off to avoid a perceived pick. In the college game he could trust the physical mismatches that created those wide open receivers and in the pro's that big window doesn't exist. He has to trust his receivers and the system that will put them where they are supposed to be. I'm not surprised that this is where Cam is in his development right now.

We'd all like to see Cam passing @ 60% -w- 5 TD's in the preseason, but that's no reason to melt down when he's 40% after Preseason week 3.

Before your fan panic makes you loose your mind, go back and watch WHOLE drive in PRE-WK3 when Cam runs for the TD. Watch the play before the run where he puts the ball where only Smith can reach it, and Smith will make that catch in WK1. Cam gets frustrated with the lack of progress and when the routes don't come open again, he takes off. He should have been stopped about 3 yards shy, but he uses the DB as a human mushroom and gets it in by his own will. This is what EVERYONE sees in Cam, he's got the desire to do what it takes to win. Players like Smith LOVE this and that is why he can get even the more lack luster teammates to step up their game and give enough to get the job done.

Does the preseason mean anything? It means that football is almost here. Rest assured, those 4 games won't mean anything to any fan come week 1.

[panthers55]

These guys (other that Vick) are excellent in the pocket. They get paid to throw the ball. It wasn't Big Ben running the ball that won them the Superbowl it was a pass to the corner of the endzone.

Maybe it was me but didn't he shake off a couple of defenders and run around until he found Holmes in the endzone. Didn't he do that with his feet???

[DaCityKats]

Besides saying if you don't like it, don't read it, is really stupid. How would I know if I didn't like it until after I read it????

just like making the correct read but missing throw is worthless.

[GritsRgreat]

Maybe it was me but didn't he shake off a couple of defenders and run around until he found Holmes in the endzone. Didn't he do that with his feet???

[DaCityKats]

So you are basing your arugument on a one year wonder who didn't beat a team with a winning record and Cam's measurements?

dude you should stop.