What is really our problem?

[pantherclaw]

So if the most experienced and intelligent players are struggling to pick up the offense how can we really expect anyone to pick it up. Considering that, do our coaches need to adapt?

It seems a trifle short-sighted to try and install an incredibly complex offense in a shortened off-season and training camp...

got to start somewhere. Can't do one offense this season, and then change. It's not like they are being taught the entire system now. They are just beginning to learn it, with adaptations for our personal...it is still unrealistic to expect huge strides quickly. They have to practice..they have to learn. Beason hasn't even taken a defensive snap in the new defense. Patience grasshopper, rome wasn't built in a day.

[Jackofalltrades]

Gross getting poo from the huddle is funny.

[Urrymonster]

got to start somewhere. Can't do one offense this season, and then change. It's not like they are being taught the entire system now. They are just beginning to learn it, with adaptations for our personal...it is still unrealistic to expect huge strides quickly. They have to practice..they have to learn. Beason hasn't even taken a defensive snap in the new defense. Patience grasshopper, rome wasn't built in a day.

Exactly, that's why you build the offense up slowly, rather than putting too much into their heads that it's causing them to be thinking a heck of a lot more than they should.

[CRA]

Exactly, that's why you build the offense up slowly, rather than putting too much into their heads that it's causing them to be thinking a heck of a lot more than they should.

it is a complex offense......reality is they could just be having troubles learning the basics that make it up.

[Urrymonster]

Gross getting poo from the huddle is funny.

Indeed, wish I could dig up my thread which analysed this season for him and show people their own ignorance.

Last year he was clearly in the top 5 LT's in the entire NFL.

[bleys]

Exactly, that's why you build the offense up slowly, rather than putting too much into their heads that it's causing them to be thinking a heck of a lot more than they should.

from most reports, that is Chud's objective.. I'm not sure Gross' comments prove otherwise, it may still be complicated, but I'm assuming based on previous articles they aren't dumping 100% on everyone at once..

Indeed, wish I could dig up my thread which analysed this season for him and show people their own ignorance.

Last year he was clearly in the top 5 LT's in the entire NFL.

I thoroughly remember that article.. laughable indeed of people's assumptions..

[pantherclaw]

Hearing fans claim how bad our players are in systems they've only been practicing a month, is like watching a bad comedian live.

Wishing ya could change the channel to something better, but the only option is to get up and leave.

[firemoose]

I'm holding my judgement until we play some regular season games. I know things don't look good right now and we are weak in many places but missing OTA's and mini's when you are trying to start a team from scratch didn't help and I really believe the staff hasn't shown very much of the playbook yet. If it makes a difference or not remains to be seen but I just want to see a few real games before I start ducking from the falling sky. Even vet teams with the same coaches are struggling right now and we had farther to climb than most. We'll just see starting the 11th.

[Jackofalltrades]

Not a bad stance.

Welcome.

[fjblair]

even when Otah comes back......pass blocking isn't his specialty. He is a beast of a run blocker.

Team was built to play the style of football played 20 years ago under Fox. No young QB is going to succeed until the OL upfront can give standard NFL pass protection. A QB like Cam is the only one who has a shot at having decent success....but his passing isn't going to drastically improve until he can be given more opportunites to sit back and make some throws w/o defenders impacting the overwhelming majority of attempts.

Yet Fox is still trying to play dinosaur ball out in Denver, he never got the memo.

It's a good thing Cam is a mobile QB, he's going to need all the mobility he can get, irregardless of whether the OL problem is skill level or just learning a new system. The OL was pretty bad last year and it wasn't exactly a new system.

[CRA]

Yet Fox is still trying to play dinosaur ball out in Denver, he never got the memo.

It's a good thing Cam is a mobile QB, he's going to need all the mobility he can get.

Denver will hover around .500 every year....occassionally someone could have a Steve Smith 05 or DeAngleo 08 type year to put them over the top and into the playoffs. But those freak years don't occur back to back for players or even happen twice in a career......

[bleys]

Denver will hover around .500 every year....occassionally someone could have a Steve Smith 05 or DeAngleo 08 type year to put them over the top and into the playoffs. But those freak years don't occur back to back for players or even happen twice in a career......

I was on twitter trying to explain that very thing to some Foxball homer who thinks Rivera will never win 6 games and that Fox was a great coach..

amazing how fear drives people...

[pantherclaw]

Fear? I see more fans fearing that the broncoes will be good with fox.

As they should...he could have denver winning that division.

[I am Hubby]

As much as this pains me to say, it needs to be said. This is the PRESEASON. It sucks for the fans, but it is the only playing time our new coaching staff has to evaluate our talent.

I am of the opinion that what we have seen so far IS the watered down version. For one very important reason. That the coaches are evaluating and teaching, and they very much need to find out who they can trust. The plays, both offensely and defensely, are being called for one reason. To see how players perform. The coaches are not trying to win, or impress anyone. They are trying to find out who will win spots, and who needs to be replaced.

I truly believe the master plan is in effect. And that plan is probably a 3 to 4 year process. Teach the youngsters, draft well, bring in upgrades. (And I feel that this is the right way to go.) No quick fixes for this regime, it is an ongoing building process. They are not in a hurry-up mode to build a winner, although the fans would wish they would hurry up already. They ARE going to build a winner, it just is not going to be this year.

So pretty much we should expect the Steelers game to mimic the first three. Nothing fancy, but lots of teaching and evaluating.

Lastly, I do feel we will be adding players, if, and only if, the staff believes they can contribute. But evaluating what we already have is priority one at this point.

Just my thoughts. And GOOO PANTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!