A QB Comparison

[Urrymonster]

"Zero issues" doesn't mean "perfect". It means there isn't anything so wrong with it that he can't adjust to play in the NFL.

Also, I actually DID admit there might be some footwork issues early on.

Now who's failing the reading comprehension tests?

What a load of crap.

Zero issues = no problems

In other words you have stated that his footwork doesn't have any issues, problems or question marks surrounding it. There is no way you can claim this to mean anything else.

[blackcatgrowl]

you definitely said Cam did not have a problem with footwork, when it's pretty clear he does...

I said there is nothing I see wrong with it to play in the NFL. That's far from claiming his footwork "is perfect". I actually DID say there maybe some room for improvement.

And currently, given the pressure situations he's been in with our O-Line crumping to teams like the Bengals, trying to judge his footwork, in the preseasonis a little absurd.

[Urrymonster]

I said there is nothing I see wrong with it to play in the NFL. That's far from claiming his footwork "is perfect". I actually DID say there maybe some room for improvement.

And currently, given the pressure situations he's been in with our O-Line crumping to teams like the Bengals, trying to judge his footwork, in the preseasonis a little absurd.

Your last statement is telling. Considering the pressure he has been under, how on Earth is he supposed to translate the good practice into real games?

He just can't and he will resort to instinctive poor mechanics and bailing on plays early - which he has already.

His footwork needs to improve BEFORE he is exposed to this amount of pressure.

[blackcatgrowl]

What a load of crap.

Zero issues = no problems

In other words you have stated that his footwork doesn't have any issues, problems or question marks surrounding it. There is no way you can claim this to mean anything else.

WTF... No, I admitted there might be room for improvement. But it wasn't enough of a problem to not draft him. You haters need to stop trying to put words in my mouth. God damn I wish the search function was working, I'd go all the way back to March and pull up exactly what I said.

In any case, three preseason games with shitty play from our O-line is hardly the medium to make an evaluation.

[blackcatgrowl]

Your last statement is telling. Considering the pressure he has been under, how on Earth is he supposed to translate the good practice into real games?

He just can't and he will resort to instinctive poor mechanics and bailing on plays early - which he has already.

His footwork needs to improve BEFORE he is exposed to this amount of pressure.

Now this is a load of crap...

"Bailing on plays early"

Really? What a crock. If anything Cam has shown better pocket awareness than any QB we've had in over a year. In fact, of anything he has gotten credit for so far is his pressure awareness, and not running when he could have.

JHC, now you people are going for him on things he isn't having problems with.

[Urrymonster]

WTF... No, I admitted there might be room for improvement. But it wasn't enough of a problem to not draft him. You haters need to stop trying to put words in my mouth. God damn I wish the search function was working, I'd go all the way back to March and pull up exactly what I said.

In any case, three preseason games with pooty play from our O-line is hardly the medium to make an evaluation.

I am not a "hater" - using that terminology is just a sign of how sad you are to be honest.

I support everyone on this team and probably am at fault for looking for good in most players when they probably don't deserve it.

I don't think he was a wasted pick, however right now he is no better than any othe QB on the roster in the passing game, which does give weight to people like TRD's view that we could have picked another position.

That said, I want him to be a long term passer i the league and to do that he needs to play catch up with his footwork and technique before being chucked into the deep end. Most rookies don't have these problems, he does and this is why he would benefit from time to learn.

Did you make the same excuses for Clausen this year?

[mav1234]

Would you call his footwork so far "pro ready"?

[blackcatgrowl]

Did you make the same excuses for Clausen this year?

Ok, pay close attention and answer the next question honestly.

How many regular season snaps has Newton made that has led you to your evaluation of him being "no better than any othe QB on the roster in the passing game"?

Mkay. Yeah. What I thought, and the point to this whole thread.

[blackcatgrowl]

Would you call his footwork so far "pro ready"?

I think its on par with a rookie pro player {edit -} who is under pressure constantly from poor pass blocking. Sure.

[mav1234]

the thing with footwork is that it has to be something you don't need to think about, that you do instinctively... so you can deliver passes properly while under pressure. hopefully he gets there.

i disagree with you about his footwork being pro-ready, and I think he needs time to sit (like most rookies typically do)

[Urrymonster]

Ok, pay close attention and answer the next question honestly.

How many regular season snaps has Newton made that has led you to your evaluation of him being "no better than any othe QB on the roster in the passing game"?

Mkay. Yeah. What I thought, and the point to this whole thread.

There is no question...he isn't consistent enough passing the football to play a bit part. What's the point of bringing up 'regular season', it doesn't change his ability to throw the ball...

Clausen has hit more completions, more yards, more down field completions and picked up more first downs. That's genuine fact and he's done it under the same situations as Newton.

[Urrymonster]

I think its on par with a rookie pro player {edit -} who is under pressure constantly from poor pass blocking. Sure.

Well you are completely wrong, other rookies (even Clausen last year) had better footwork than Cam.

[TheRealDeal]

Blackcat circling like catsgrowl lol

[blackcatgrowl]

Well you are completely wrong, other rookies (even Clausen last year) had better footwork than Cam.

:lol:

Absurd... yes, he was planting beautifully when he was throwing into the stands or throwing into the arm reach of the defending linemen. But his footwork was stellar.

Does Cam's footwork need some improvement? Yes.

Is it typical for for a rookie who is under pressure to throw off his back foot when a DE is about to pull his arm out of socket? Yes.

Is it "omghorriblebust!!"? No.

You all are making way too much of this preseason. But, go ahead... enjoy it while you can. There's no point in continuing this argument.