6/19 75 yards....

[panthers55]

I didnt say anything that wasnt true. Please go look at Luck's tape and watch his feet. Then compare it to Cam. its not even close. Its might be the same thing everyone was talking about with Locker before the draft. Locker also had bad footwork so that affected his accuracy. however, even when you were watching cams work out videos he wasn't hitting his receivers right in the numbers. meanwhile, luck has much better accuracy. In all honestly it would take much to have better accuracy than cam now. Look I obviously how Cam gets it figured out and has a great career as a panther. But now I dont see any reason for him to start and reenforce bad habits. make him a back up and spend all day working with him on footwork and accuracy.

No credible poster is saying newton's mechanics are as good as Luck's on the other hand the comparison between the two will be made next year not this. lets see who is better next year, Luck or Newton. Luck also worked under a prostyle offense and for Harbaugh for 3 years. Lets see how newton does with the same kind of coaching for a couple of years. Right now Luck is a college junior who is irrelevant to the NFL. Since Luck wasn't a choice, who is better at this point is moot.

The problem with your sitting Newton theory is that backups get little work in practice and sit around alot. Starters gets 3 times the reps as backups. So the best way to accelerate his progress is play him not sit him. If Rodgers started instead of sat maybe it wouldn't have taken him three years to be ready to start in the NFL.

[CatMan72]

I wouldn't be adverse to the idea of putting Cam back on the shelf for a little while if I thought we had someone on the roster that could do better...

I don't subscribe to the idea of ruining a guy by having him play before he's ready, either you've got it or you don't. Aikman and Manning played before they were 100% ready and they took their lumps, but it didn't ruin them.

[Smithers]

I didnt say anything that wasnt true. Please go look at Luck's tape and watch his feet. Then compare it to Cam. its not even close. Its might be the same thing everyone was talking about with Locker before the draft. Locker also had bad footwork so that affected his accuracy. however, even when you were watching cams work out videos he wasn't hitting his receivers right in the numbers. meanwhile, luck has much better accuracy. In all honestly it would take much to have better accuracy than cam now. Look I obviously how Cam gets it figured out and has a great career as a panther. But now I dont see any reason for him to start and reenforce bad habits. make him a back up and spend all day working with him on footwork and accuracy.

I understand...but a quarterbacks mechanics tend to change when NFL rushers are coming at him. Cam had accuracy issues prior to joining the team. He still has issues. Will luck have issues next year? I'm sure he will have growing pains like most rookies. The bottom line is this...this team is no better with Clausen than it is with Cam. In fact, we will be worse with Jimmy at the helm.

[CatMan72]

...and as much as I support Cam, if we're sitting there with the # 1 overall pick again next year and Luck is there, then you take him (thank you rookie cap).

Cam's job is to keep us out of the # 1 pick slot, if he can't do that they we should use the pick on someone who can.

[Jpjr]

No credible poster is saying newton's mechanics are as good as Luck's on the other hand the comparison between the two will be made next year not this. lets see who is better next year, Luck or Newton. Luck also worked under a prostyle offense and for Harbaugh for 3 years. Lets see how newton does with the same kind of coaching for a couple of years. Right now Luck is a college junior who is irrelevant to the NFL. Since Luck wasn't a choice, who is better at this point is moot.

The problem with your sitting Newton theory is that backups get little work in practice and sit around alot. Starters gets 3 times the reps as backups. So the best way to accelerate his progress is play him not sit him. If Rodgers started instead of sat maybe it wouldn't have taken him three years to be ready to start in the NFL.

Brady didn't take a snap his rookie season either. His senior season at Michigan he was benched for a freshman (Drew Henson). I'd say that year of practice made quite a difference.

Cam's pocket work is so terrible at this point you have to sit him. It shouldn't even be a choice. There is ZERO chance his footwork improves in game situations. Mechanics are only built in practice. It's why The Golden Calf of Bristol will never throw correctly in games no matter how many he plays.

[blackcatgrowl]

...and as much as I support Cam, if we're sitting there with the # 1 overall pick again next year and Luck is there, then you take him (thank you rookie cap).

Cam's job is to keep us out of the # 1 pick slot, if he can't do that they we should use the pick on someone who can.

Really? Seriously?

This is completely false.

Cam's job is to help move the chains and help put our offense in a position to score Touchdowns.

If our Defense is giving up yardage and points like they have the past two games, our run game is shallow to non-existant, our O-line crumbles like paper cutouts, and our special teams is botching plays, there is absolutely nothing Cam Newton, or ANY QB can do by himself to keep us out of the top draft pick.

In fact, there is nothing that any single one draft pick can do to fix that. If we had brough in a WR or DT, we'd still be sitting in the same boat.

I'm not defending Cam here... don't get me wrong. Newton's throwing has been bad. Yes. Terrible even. But he has kept his poise and not made any big mistakes yet (like a pick-six). And how much of this is on our receiver corp, and play calling?

And in light of all this, people aren't mentioning that Cam has brought some energy to this team. Hell, he pretty much scored that TD on his own last night. You think Jimmy Clausen would have been able to do that? You think his passing would have been so much better that they would have even been close to the end zone?

[dksmith17]

I'm confused.

Cam goes 8 for 19 no TDs no ints no rushing - everyone drools all over him.

goes 7 for 14 no TDs no ints 18 rush yards - everyone is meh.

goes 6 for 19 1 rush TD no ints and 50 rush yards - he is a bigger bust than Jamarcus?

I actually thought his best performance was against Cincy. He was consistently going through all his reads. Keeping his head downfield when protection broke. I thought he was good at avoiding pressure and keeping a play alive. Maybe thats not saying a whole lot, but its much better than what we saw from Clausen last season. What I didn't like... accuracy when he couldn't get good footwork, presnap awareness, didn't anticipate a receiver getting open.

Bottomline... any Panther fan that was putting this season solely on Cam's arm wasn't being realistic. They need a running game, stout defense and a good oline to compete- all 3 of those things were terrible last night.

[Davidson Deac II]

Fwiw, most of the team played like crap. Cam didn't look any worse than most of the others, including some of the veterans. The oline was bad, the wr's couldn't get any seperation. The cornerbacks didn't play well, and special teams (except for Baker and Mare) looked way off.

There were a few exceptions. THe aforementioned Kickers were excellent. I thought the tightends played well, at least in the passing game (not sure about their blocking). Deangelo Williams had a good night in limited action and with not many holes. The safeties mostly played well, although they spent to much time tackling rb's. Davis and Anderson were all over the field, and they needed to be.

Regarding Cam's mechanics, they aren't as bad as Clausen's were at this point last year. Cam does throw off his back foot to much, but at least his arm motion is good and he doesn't get many deflections at the line of scrimmage.

[PantherBrew]

Slow clap for the huddle right now.

This has actually been an enjoyable debate to read.

Good discussion.

[ncbobcat]

Slow clap for the huddle right now.

This has actually been an enjoyable debate to read.

Good discussion.

Cue the ending of an 80's teen movie.

[TheRealDeal]

And in light of all this, people aren't mentioning that Cam has brought some energy to this team. Hell, he pretty much scored that TD on his own last night. You think Jimmy Clausen would have been able to do that? You think his passing would have been so much better that they would have even been close to the end zone?

:lol:

Cam threw for 9 yards on that drive. 9.

# 1-10-CIN 46 (9:40) 1-C.Newton pass incomplete short left to 6-L.Naanee.

# 2-10-CIN 46 (9:35) (Shotgun) 34-D.Williams left guard to CIN 28 for 18 yards (20-R.Nelson).

# 1-10-CIN 28 (8:55) 1-C.Newton pass incomplete short left to 89-S.Smith [97-G.Atkins].

# 2-10-CIN 28 (8:48) 1-C.Newton pass short middle to 89-S.Smith to CIN 19 for 9 yards (42-C.Crocker).

# 3-1-CIN 19 (7:57) 28-J.Stewart left guard to CIN 15 for 4 yards (20-R.Nelson).

# 1-10-CIN 15 (7:17) 28-J.Stewart left guard to CIN 16 for -1 yards (93-M.Johnson).

# 2-11-CIN 16 (6:34) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to 89-S.Smith.

# 3-11-CIN 16 (6:27) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton scrambles for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Cam Newton: 1-4 9 yards 16 yards rushing

I'm pretty sure Jim could have thrown for more than 9 yards, just saying.

[beastson]

I'm confused.

Cam goes 8 for 19 no TDs no ints no rushing - everyone drools all over him.

goes 7 for 14 no TDs no ints 18 rush yards - everyone is meh.

goes 6 for 19 1 rush TD no ints and 50 rush yards - he is a bigger bust than Jamarcus?

I actually thought his best performance was against Cincy. He was consistently going through all his reads. Keeping his head downfield when protection broke. I thought he was good at avoiding pressure and keeping a play alive. Maybe thats not saying a whole lot, but its much better than what we saw from Clausen last season. What I didn't like... accuracy when he couldn't get good footwork, presnap awareness, didn't anticipate a receiver getting open.

Bottomline... any Panther fan that was putting this season solely on Cam's arm wasn't being realistic. They need a running game, stout defense and a good oline to compete- all 3 of those things were terrible last night.

It was his best game. Looked most comfortable out there so far. First they was begging for Cam to use his "talents" and he finally did. He didn't force the issue, there was nothing there so he scrambled and not to mention at one point it was pressure every time he tried to pass

I can still tell its learning process for all, cause Cam was trying to spread it around and throw to everyone

[blackcatgrowl]

:lol:

Cam threw for 9 yards on that drive. 9.

# 1-10-CIN 46 (9:40) 1-C.Newton pass incomplete short left to 6-L.Naanee.

# 2-10-CIN 46 (9:35) (Shotgun) 34-D.Williams left guard to CIN 28 for 18 yards (20-R.Nelson).

# 1-10-CIN 28 (8:55) 1-C.Newton pass incomplete short left to 89-S.Smith [97-G.Atkins].

# 2-10-CIN 28 (8:48) 1-C.Newton pass short middle to 89-S.Smith to CIN 19 for 9 yards (42-C.Crocker).

# 3-1-CIN 19 (7:57) 28-J.Stewart left guard to CIN 15 for 4 yards (20-R.Nelson).

# 1-10-CIN 15 (7:17) 28-J.Stewart left guard to CIN 16 for -1 yards (93-M.Johnson).

# 2-11-CIN 16 (6:34) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to 89-S.Smith.

# 3-11-CIN 16 (6:27) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton scrambles for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Cam Newton: 1-4 9 yards 16 yards rushing

I'm pretty sure Jim could have thrown for more than 9 yards, just saying.

Haha.. you're really eating this up aren't you? Makes you feel like your e-cock is twenty feet long, and you can call all the plays like a boss doesn't it?

Enjoy this while you can TuRD.

And you know, even if Jimmy Clausen came in and threw for 150 yards, he's not gonna be the starter, so I don't know where you're going with this.

[TheRealDeal]

Haha.. you're really eating this up aren't you? Makes you feel like your e-cock is twenty feet long, and you can call all the plays like a boss doesn't it?

Enjoy this while you can TuRD.

And you know, even if Jimmy Clausen came in and threw for 150 yards, he's not gonna be the starter, so I don't know where you're going with this.

You asked if Jimmy would get us close to the endzone with his passing, considering Cam only threw for 9 yards to get us "close" to the endzone, my logic suggests Jimmy would have completed more than 1 pass and would have gotten us close, probably even a TD.