What does Cam have to do

[CRA]

Yeah because its always a good sign when a quarterback is drafted that high but cut before his contract runs out. And how many of those wins were against winning teams?? And why didn't he get a starting job somewhere?

again, as I clearly pointed out......he had mental/emotional problems.

most of his wins haven't been against teams with losing records either.

[mav1234]

Vy wasnt a bust for the Titans. Not with a RoY award, a winning record, playoff births, etc. He simply couldnt get along with his idiot Head Coach who is no longer coaching. Vy has won more games than guys like Matt Cassell and Kevin Kolb. He will start in this league again. Dudes pulled this same crap with Vick, writing him off at 27. Lol

VY's situation is nothing like Vick's... at all. I have no doubt VY will start some place, whereas I had no idea what would happen to Vick coming out of jail. As to Cassell and Kolb, they're still starting so it's hard to call them busts. When they get cut, you can ask me again ;P

I still think VY was mostly a bust for the Titans. yes, he lead them to two playoff appearances in his career there, but the Titan's best record in that same time period was the year that VY was actually injured. While I have no doubt he was a major, major contributor to that team, that season proved that it was not just VY that was winning games, but a decent team overall.

Ultimately the way he left the Titans makes me feel like he ended up being a major disappointment for them. If you don't want to use the word "bust," that's fine, but I don't know how you can argue that his ending there wasn't disappointing.

BTW, there was more to VY's problems than just disagreements with Fisher...but you know that.

[CarolinaAllDay]

Cam will need to show he can lead a team. the terms quarterback and leadership are synonymous. He will also need to show me that he can take a loss and learn from it. YES I SAID IT, HE MUST LOSE TO GET BETTER. If cam can win 16 straight and get us that ring this year, god bless but we all know thats not gonna happen. We arent gonna get a joe flacco/big ben rookie year out of him, but we should expect BIG things in the upcoming seasons. Bigger, Faster, Stronger Josh Freeman :)

[CRA]

VY's situation is nothing like Vick's... at all. I have no doubt VY will start some place, whereas I had no idea what would happen to Vick coming out of jail.

I still think VY was mostly a bust for the Titans. yes, he lead them to two playoff appearances in his career there, but the Titan's best record in that same time period was the year that VY was actually injured. While I have no doubt he was a major, major contributor to that team, that season proved that it was not just VY that was winning games, but a decent team overall.

Ultimately the way he left the Titans makes me feel like he ended up being a major disappointment for them. If you don't want to use the word "bust," that's fine, but I don't know how you can argue that his ending there wasn't disappointing.

BTW, there was more to VY's problems than just disagreements with Fisher...but you know that.

he was a diappointment....not bust. He was a disppointment b/c he won games and was successsful and went loco.......

[mav1234]

he was a diappointment....not bust. He was a disppointment b/c he won games and was successsful and went loco.......

I would say the term bust fits. IMO, when your team cuts you before you finish your contract, it's a pretty sure sign that you have flopped.

Perhaps just the way I think of the term. I basically consider Kerry Collins to have been a bust for us too though obviously had had early success here.

At least we can all agree he was a pretty major disappointment there.

[ncmonzta]

I would say the term bust fits. IMO, when your team cuts you before you finish your contract, it's a pretty sure sign that you have flopped.

Perhaps just the way I think of the term. I basically consider Kerry Collins to have been a bust for us too though obviously had had early success here.

At least we can all agree he was a pretty major disappointment there.

I only use the term bust if you lack the talent and skills to contribute to an NFL team. An example of that would be would Everette Brown is starting to look like, where you end up playing arena or the CFL. I still think if Vince can get his mental poo together and focus on football he will be successful with whoever gives him the chance.

[TheRealDeal]

Ryan Leaf wasn't a bust?

[mav1234]

I only use the term bust if you lack the talent and skills to contribute to an NFL team. An example of that would be would Everette Brown is starting to look like, where you end up playing arena or the CFL. I still think if Vince can get his mental poo together and focus on football he will be successful with whoever gives him the chance.

I just was using bust for a team more broadly to define a player who ended up flopping for the team that drafted him... I don't think VY's career is over and nor do I think he needs to do something major (like Gholston does) to recover, he just needs to get his feet under him. Perhaps I'm misusing the term, I just have trouble really seeing it any other way when a player gets cut from the team that drafts him.

[CRA]

I would say the term bust fits. IMO, when your team cuts you before you finish your contract, it's a pretty sure sign that you have flopped.

Perhaps just the way I think of the term. I basically consider Kerry Collins to have been a bust for us too though obviously had had early success here.

At least we can all agree he was a pretty major disappointment there.

Normally you call someone a bust b/c there talent didn't pan out and they couldn't play at a high level and win at this level.....IMO.

He had the talent.....he proved that and won.

Is Brandon Marshall a bust? B/c they traded him away? wasn't he still on his rookie deal?

[mav1234]

Is Brandon Marshall a bust? B/c they traded him away? wasn't he still on his rookie deal?

No, he wasn't cut as far as I know, though some might say he was a bit of a disappointment.

Being QB is more than the physical tools... VY's weaknesses may have been mental as opposed to physical but that is still part of the game and ultimately it caused his downfall. I think plenty of guys with oodles of potential fail to really do much because of the mental aspect of the game.

[TheRealDeal]

He was never that good of a passer anyway. He's been average in a good situation and that's what his record reflects.

Consider his average play with his mental aspect, it spells bust.

[CRA]

No, he wasn't cut as far as I know, though some might say he was a bit of a disappointment.

Being QB is more than the physical tools... VY's weaknesses may have been mental as opposed to physical but that is still part of the game and ultimately it caused his downfall. I think plenty of guys with oodles of potential fail to really do much because of the mental aspect of the game.

VY's issues's weren't the mental aspect of the game.......it was mental/emotional problems as a person.

He proved as a rookie the game wasn't too big for him going to the Pro Bowl.

[teeray]

Law of diminishing returns

You and your economic mumbo jumbo. ;)

The law of diminishing returns could just as easily be used in defense if my argument that just because he threw the ball less doesn't mean he is less developed as a passer. Because in simple terms it says that more of one thing if all other factors remain unchanged is not better.

Also if you wanted to argue the law of diminishing returns onto a football QB evaluation you would be arguing that throwing the ball more (like 8:1 for instance) actually will at some point cause a player to be less developed.

Of course you likely are saying that after a certain pass/run ratio the pass/run ratio itself loses most of it's value and then becomes a diminishing return.

Of course applying economic principle to evaluating QBs is silly (albeit pretty fun :))

[CRA]

He was never that good of a passer anyway. He's been average in a good situation and that's what his record reflects.

Consider his average play with his mental aspect, it spells bust.

well, he actually has been above average..... if you value wins over stats.