What does Cam have to do

[Get_on_my_horse]

Something like what McNabb had in his first season. Something to give the fan base hope.

[KJDaniel31]

the "error" is that you think some lousy numerical estimation has any relevancy to anything you wrote. How did you come up with it? Did you simulate 20 scenarios in your head and only one came up with Newton holding a lombardi trophy? Did another 4 of them end up with him at WR?

Its very simple: no one with his skill set (though many teams foolishly try) has won in this league.

There is no math to do here...its just ZERO.

Could he be the first? Sure....so I say 5% chance. It's very arbitrary.

[Marguide]

Great, I'll make it simple for you. Any QB with NEAR the rushing stats in college that Cam had. I'll let you define "near".

Ready, go.

I think there has only been one left-handed QB to win the SB in the last 20 years or so (Steve Young).

So by your rationale, we should stay away from lefties as well no matter what they have done previously or what their skill set is.

Edit: And obviously, no black QB has won the SB in the last 20 years, so we have to stay away from all of them too.

[teeray]

I wasn't aware I had ever mentioned stats when discussing Locker vs Cam this preseason. Have I?

I'm surprised you were impressed with Cam vs NY. Which throw(s) impressed you?

I have heard a couple people be critical of his throw to Olsen but 99% of rookie QBs don't even attempt that throw and I felt he put it in a good spot to prevent any chance of a pick and gave Olsen a chance to catch it.

Some of the things I liked about Cam's debut was his willingness to attempt certain throws that after watching nearly every rookie so far that 90% of the other rookies would not have even attempted. Was there varied success? Absolutely. Some bad throws?? Sure. But that was true of every QB I have seen this preseason rookie or otherwise.

After the game I mentioned that a lot of rookie QBs would have come out and completed a couple screens, couple crossing routes, maybe a slant, and maybe a roll out dump off and completed 7-8 passes and everyone would have talked about how great they look. Low and behold that is exactly what happened with Locker IMO. And I said that before I had even seen the Tennessee game. I felt like Cam attempted some big boy throws against the Giants even if he missed a couple.

This is getting too long winded but to answer your question "who has looked better" I don't really have an answer bc I haven't seen Jake Locker really do anything to this point.

[KJDaniel31]

You say you have facts and figures so compelling even your 6 year old niece finds it obvious.

So where are these facts and figures other than that a running QB, as you define it, hasn't won the Super Bowl?

Is it just that a QB with exactly the characteristics of Cam hasn't won the Super Bowl? What about a Sam Bradford clone.

Just share with the uneducated masses these obvious facts and logical conclusions.

Actually, my (3rd grade) niece simply understood that post...which was that no QB like him ever succeeds in this league. Not sure how someone thought I was claiming that no QB like him has ever led US (Carolina Panthers) to a title. She is even further confused how a grown man didn't understand that, but I think she is beginning to understand my immediate audience here.

How can I produce facts of something that has never happened? No QB with skills anywhere resembling Cam's has lead his team to playoff success.

Sam Bradford was (and is) a pocket passer. He ran for a grand total of 36 yards in his NCAA career. Many pocket QB's like him have lead their team to SB wins.

Is this really that difficult?

[mav1234]

the throw to olsen wasn't perfect but it "got the job done." he could improve on it but it was a nice play. the whole thing is there is rarely a play in the NFL where you can't improve on something. as long as Cam is constantly working to improve, even on the good plays he makes, he'll keep getting better... I hope anyway.

[TheRealDeal]

go back a few months, chance one or two words, post this under a different name and you'd be getting pie and swag left and right, hahaha

You don't say...I'm changing tune...I first expected

Nothing because I don't think he's ready but everyone has convinced me leading up to the draft that he has the experience, work ethic, smile, swagger, and tools to be great right away...if not great at least better than Bradford who some said was no better than Clausen last year

[Raleighcat83]

Great, show me the error here.

Name the running QBs in the NFL (go back even say 15 years?) and how they lead their teams to title(s).

There should be several with similar skill sets to Cam, so this should be fairly easy.

Steve Young was a running QB.(seriously, go back and look at old highlights) John Elway was a scrambler who was considered inaccurate. Both won Super Bowls. Fran Tarkanton was even more of a runner, and while he never won a Super Bowl, he led his team to a couple. Are those guys not what you think of when you say "similar to Cam Newton"? Why not?

[Delhommey]

The trolls are breeding.

[frash.exe]

lol where the fug are you typing from where your niece is available at your beck and call? are you the creepy uncle that lives in the house?

[mav1234]

he running QB thing... these days, a lot of these QBs coming out are so freakishly athletic, the rushing numbers they put up are largely a product of their system (NOT entirely, obviously Cam is a freak athlete, but Locker for instance had nearly 1k yards rushing his first year of college)... so when they get to the NFL, a lot of what happens is up to the coaching staff to mold them, up to them to work hard, and a bit of luck with circumstance etc... that's why, while I was impressed with the enormity of his stats in college, I never considered the numbers themselves to be any sort of plus to drafting him...

[KJDaniel31]

I think there has only been one left-handed QB to win the SB in the last 20 years or so (Steve Young).

So by your rationale, we should stay away from lefties as well no matter what they have done previously or what their skill set is.

I'm sure there has only been one named Peyton, so should we avoid that name? How does left handed or right handed affect their skills? Is this really the level you have to sink to in order to justify your homerism? If I sank to this level of desperation I would be so humiliated I'd have to throw my computer in the pool.

Again, we are talking about his SKILLS....those things affect his success, and in turn OURS. I take it you are unable to find any QB with a skill set near Cam's who has enjoyed playoff success?

[frash.exe]

*reads post*

hmmmmmm, jessica, come here. i need you to read this, and tell me what you think of it

[mav1234]

work ethic, smile, swagger,

he does seem to be working hard and he's got more than enough smile and swagger.