Rewind back to April

[Gipetto]

I wouldn't change a thing and you know why? because you can't tell a players future after two fuging preseason games. I remember talks a couple years back about how james anderson and charles johnson were busts and we should trade them well look at them now. How about we all sit back relax and see how it all plays out first. Hows that sound?

[TheRealDeal]

I fear you have the inability to admit you are ever wrong or could be wrong.

I've admitted I've been wrong when I am. All of this is opinions I don't know how they are wrong until he plays for a while.

And TRD answer this for me as well. I just want to have a baseline for you and GrG on what Cam needs to do to prove himself to you two.

Then instead of picking him apart we can judge him on a body of work instead of every snap of the ball.

Thanks.

I don't have numbers, I said as much in another thread as well. It depends how he looks, how he plays, how those numbers come about.

If every 3rd and 10 he runs for 9 yards he'll look good at the end of the year but bad throughout the season. If we're down 28-0 at the start of every 4th Quarter and he throws 2 TDs passes in each 4th quarter he'll look good at the end of the year as well.

Conversely, if our Running game is dominant and he doesn't do much he'll look bad but if we win 10 games it's all good.

If he starts out 0-8 but then goes 8-0 the numbers won't matter as much as the growth.

I've never liked judging QBs on stats because there is too much that goes into it and I don't want to do it now.

I do not expect a lot though.

What "we" are saying is this blind hate is getting really old. Support your QB, be fair, give him a chance, fuc.king hope for the best you scabs.

What "we" are saying is this blind love is getting really old. Wait and see what he does before crowing him, let him play an NFL game before saying he's rookie of the year, fuc.king let him throw a TD in a game before we say he's better than Big Ben and Freeman combined you scrubs.

[rayzor]

He's the deal, if we got a compliment to Smitty in the draft or FA and got a QB like Kolb, knowing now that another TE besides Shockey was in the works, would getting Dareus and a corner not named Hogan in the draft be the worst thing in the world? Our offense was horrible last year because of several things you and I both know about (Fox, injuries and rookie QB). Clean that slate and we would not have the worst offense in the league. Would it be top10? No, but not 32nd either. I guess it's like what you said, how one thinks the team should be built.

As for Kolb and the WCO... i'm not saying it's the same, but similar and from everything I've ever heard about WCOs, they are the hardest schemes to grasp. In other words, this offense for Kolb would not be as complicated and therefore easier to grasp. It would be a matter of execution and NOT scheme complexity to determine success for Kolb.

players don't transition form WCOs very well and i didn't like really any of the QBs in FA this year. it would have improved, but i think the upside would have been lower.

i'm also not a fan of dareus. i think he was a first rounder, but not top 5 material unless you aren't looking for a dynamic game changing DT. he'll be solid, but nothing spectacular. i wanted us to take a ballsy risk and try to make this team dramatically better. going the defensive route wasn't going to do that, imo. if there was someone like suh in the draft i might have felt better about it, but there wasn't.

with fox we had been playing it safe for far too long in all aspects. we felt that we didn't need anything special at QB...just an average vet QB would be fine. i don't think the bar was set high at all and we really weren't able to keep up with the changes in the league and we weren't doing anything offensively that would make us really competitive in the division anymore.

again, thats just my opinion and my reaction to too many years of foxball.

[rayzor]

I wouldn't change a thing and you know why? because you can't tell a players future after two fugING preseason games. I remember talks a couple years back about how james anderson and charles johnson were busts and we should trade them well look at them now. How about we all sit back relax and see how it all plays out first. Hows that sound?

i have to admit a couple years ago i was saying the james anderson experiment had failed. i'm glad i was wrong about that and i don't have a problem admitting it. i never do.

still, yeah, way too early to pass judgment on many of these guys.

[frash.exe]

lol dareus is the most vanilla selection you can possibly make

[rico6]

Agreed, I remembered when Anderson looked like a twig. Now look at him.

[ncbobcat]

ncbobcat Kolb sucks and Andy Reid couldn't even make him look great in an offense where he can make any QB look like a world beater. His deep ball capability is atrocious and like it or not you need a QB with a good deep ball to play the offense we're running. Kolb would suck here.

So Kolb sucks in a WCO, sucks because of his deep ball or just sucks? Did anyone really think that they would keep Vick on the bench? A trade was bound to happen. Lastly, they shipped McNabb out of town to give Kolb a shot. Vick got in the #1 when Kolb went down to injury and Mike never gave it back. We'll see how he does in Arizona this year.

[King Taharqa]

Kolb has no deep ball. He's a dink and dunk passer who needs to be in WCO. Having Fitz will help turn his 10-15 yard passes into longer ones, but dude is not a QB who stretches the field at all.

[frash.exe]

So Kolb sucks in a WCO, sucks because of his deep ball or just sucks?

D. All of the above

[rayzor]

vick got the job first when kolb got hurt, but then kolb was named the starter when he got healthy, but the team (mainly the players) didn't want to be limited with kolb like they were. they liked the dynamic vick brought and they liked the way the offense opened up with him there.

with kolb they weren't going to be a dominant team. they were going to be respectable because of the offense that was being run and the number of talented receivers they had, but he wasn't someone that could take them all the way. vick isn't guaranteed to be better, but he gives them a better chance than kolb did.

i'm not sure how kolb is going to do in zona. they play more of a spread than anything (or at least they did when they were relevant) so it might be ok, but i doubt he's going to light it up like someone getting that kind of money should be doing. he's no kurt warner, thats for sure.

[ncbobcat]

Kolb has no deep ball. He's a dink and dunk passer who needs to be in WCO. Having Fitz will help turn his 10-15 yard passes into longer ones, but dude is not a QB who stretches the field at all.

Cool, we'll see how does in AZ. I'm not a huge Kolb fan, but this FA period he was the best one out there, IMO. Next year if we are in the market for a top tier QB, starter or backup, I'll be pimping someone else.

[IplayedCam#1317]

Knowing what you know now, would you make any changes in the 2011 draft?

why cant i create a new thred?

[Mr ocho nueve]

Kevin Kolb is underrated, Philly will regret trading him when Vick is on the downfall.

[rayzor]

Cool, we'll see how does in AZ. I'm not a huge Kolb fan, but this FA period he was the best one out there, IMO. Next year if we are in the market for a top tier QB, starter or backup, I'll be pimping someone else.

with the exception of newton, it was just a weak year for QBs all across the board. the FA class was horrible, though. saying he was the best is still having the bar low.

if we are in the market for a top tier QB (which i doubt we will be) i'll be pimping someone else as well.

we'll probably be due for a backup upgrade, but beyond that i think we are set for a while. until he proves otherwise, i'm going to believe that.