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The Herd on Cam Newton today


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Cowherd has a thing for hyperbole and sometimes blatent misstatements of fact in driving home his "points", that's his bit. I don't think you're supposed to take it literally when he does that, and certainly don't let it get to you.

Cam hasn't converted a third down yet so that part is fact.

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What everybody needs to do is FORGET about what he did last season. This is a brand new offense, new and improved weapons. Both quarterbacks are basically rookies in this new era, with the exception that Clausen has played in a lame duck situation and took his beatings.

You're right. The situation did suck. The team was not very good. But he showed little athleticism/QB ability at the position. Its obvious

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1-Not sure why you're a stat rat. Its preseason. The games do not count. They are practice games. Its for the staff to evaluate what their team is capable of. If you have ever played at a high level of competition in athletics you would know this.

Because thats what most people use, including coaches...I would rather base my opinion on players by what they post not by how I hope they turn out.

Edit: BTW; wrestling, football and baseball in high school and baseball throughout college...I can tell you, scrimmage games absolutely mean something...win / loss records do not but the stats in those game ABSOLUTELY DO!....If you have every played at a high level of competion in atheletics you would know this!

2-You are lying to yourself if you say "Jimmy gives us more a chance than Cam". Just by watching the way Cam moves around...stays relaxed under pressure and has ability to escape it...arm action..arm stength...He will make passes Jimmy could never make just due to pure athleticism. He had some impressive throws in the first game. And drops. He is a presence on the field...defenses will have to shift their gameplan towards him (QB spy??)...thus making guys like Olsen. Williams. Smith...even better..Jimmy just isnt a starter in the NFL. A back up possibly...will not be a championship caliber starter.

Just so happens I think you are lying to yourself if you think, right now, he doesn't. Jimmy has out performed in every category thus far...how can anyone say otherwise?

Just by watching Cam move around? know what I see when I watch Cam move around? Nother ball in the dirt or a short run that still doesn't get a first down.

Arm strength means absolutly nothing...hell I can throw a football through a chain link fence...problem is; I can't hit the damn fence

etc...etc

3-Just because Cam hasnt been able to break big runs...in what 3 or 4 quarters that he's played...doesnt mean he wont have them during the year. Hes hardly had any playing time under the lights...

So that makes him ready to start? Over someone that is clearly outperforming him? Because he doesn't have time under the "lights"? Please!

4-Dont make the point of last year. The organization dumped talented players and clearly packed it in to save money. This team is totally different with a much more aggressive coaching staff. The points WILL come from Cam

Exactly what I'm trying to say...forgetting last year...wipe it out of your mind. Two rookie QB's competing for a Job...one QB has better stats in every sinlge category exccpt yards per CARRY (which he is only .9 yards behind). Who would you have start? Thought so!

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Because thats what most people use, including coaches...I would rather base my opinion on players by what they post not by how I hope they turn out.

Just so happens I think you are lying to yourself if you think, right now, he doesn't. Jimmy has out performed in every category thus far...how can anyone say otherwise?

Just by watching Cam move around? know what I see when I watch Cam move around? Nother ball in the dirt or a short run that still doesn't get a first down.

Arm strength means absolutly nothing...hell I can throw a football through a chain link fence...problem is; I can't hit the damn fence

etc...etc

So that makes him ready to start? Over someone that is clearly outperforming him? Because he doesn't have time under the "lights"? Please!

Exactly what I'm trying to say...forgetting last year...wipe it out of your mind. Two rookie QB's competing for a Job...one QB has better stats in every sinlge category exccpt yards per CARRY (which he is only .9 yards behind). Who would you have start? Thought so!

Ok heres my stupid stat from preseason

Turnovers - Cam...0....Jimmy..Pick 6

There I contributed to the stat discussion for you.

Theres a bigger picture beyond your argument of stats and categories..and its the fact that Cam will grow into a much better player..the coaches see it..thats why he is starting vs. Bengals

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Ok heres my stupid stat from preseason

Turnovers - Cam...0....Jimmy..Pick 6

There I contributed to the stat discussion for you.

Theres a bigger picture beyond your argument of stats and categories..and its the fact that Cam will grow into a much better player..the coaches see it..thats why he is starting vs. Bengals

LOL...and we have another one

Thanks for the informative input and your unbias opinion...like I tell the others...carry on!

Btw, just so you know because apparently you didn't read the entire thread. Stats came up thanks to another one of the nut huggers on here

correct Jimmy wasn't.

But Cam missed roughly 1500 reps thanks to the offseason per Rivera. And he is already on par w/ Clausen overall........who has 10 starts, 13 NFL games, and was a "polished" qb coming out of school.

so it just seems like most hot air for those trying to find ways to knock him through 2 preseason games where he hasn't turned the ball over and completed more first downs than Jimmy despite less drive attempts.

I was just showing him that he was WRONG

Thanks for playing though

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Ok heres my stupid stat from preseason

Turnovers - Cam...0....Jimmy..Pick 6

There I contributed to the stat discussion for you.

Theres a bigger picture beyond your argument of stats and categories..and its the fact that Cam will grow into a much better player..the coaches see it..thats why he is starting vs. Bengals

OOOO i love the stat game....I got one for ya.

Td's Cam 0 Jimmy 1/

Cam has a higher ceiling, and will be a high caliber player, if he can improve those little things.

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OOOO i love the stat game....I got one for ya.

Td's Cam 0 Jimmy 1/

Cam has a higher ceiling, and will be a high caliber player, if he can improve those little things.

Jimmy has 2 Td's...the other one was 6 points for New York

The coaches see the higher ceiling...More game time = improvement. Thats why hes starting

National Championship. Heisman. #1 overall pick. There's a reason...

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isnt the herd collin cowherds show? If so why would you listen to that, he is no better then skip bayless, both are idiots looking for shock value and ratings. Even if he believes something or has facts he will go with the contrary just for responses.

You would think after a season of clausen leading one of the worst offenses in nfl history that people would not be calling for him to start regardless of the qb situation.

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You would think after a season of clausen leading one of the worst offenses in nfl history that people would not be calling for him to start regardless of the qb situation.

Im not. Panther fans are known to support and rally behind the absolute worst QBs in the NFL and expect people to feel sorry for them because they suck.

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Alex Smith

David Carr

Ryan Leaf

etc

Russell was a lazy bum w/ no work ethic and a bad attitude.

Smith, Carr, Leaf.....

I dont really have to say anything about those 3...they all look like Jimmy Clausen...and you mentioned them because they all suck...so...im sure you can make the connection

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Im not. Panther fans are known to support and rally behind the absolute worst QBs in the NFL and expect people to feel sorry for them because they suck.

Ya I shouldn't be either. They must have some faith in a miraculous turn around season. Even other nfl great qbs who had a bad rookie year showed flashes and some decent games, yet jimmy who has done neither still has support. Crazy. Maybe if he even had 1 GOOD preseason game I could see even the most minor debate, but they are so desperate reaching for hope for some reason.

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