The Herd on Cam Newton today

[Ruff]

If by no win situation you mean drafted onto a team he didn't fit.......then yes, it was a no win situation.

All of the coaches, analysts, etc, were raving during the Draft about how perfectly Clausen fit into the Davidson system, which was learned from Charlie Weis.

I'm not saying I'm all for Jimmy starting, just pointing out a fact.

[HPPantherzfan]

All in all, Clausen played just like he did at ND. He didn't fit and that wasn't his fault nor was it Fox's fault. Both really got screwed.

You are right, first year sucked...second year much better...third year an elite QB...He is right on track ;)

[DRubi15]

doesn't sound like he said anything far fetched or over dramatic.. Cam has a long ways to go and I wouldn't be opposed to watch him on the bench at least the 1st half of the year..

if he starts, awesome.. I'm looking forward to Thursday's game..

I wouldnt be opposed to watching Cam learn to play in the NFL and watching JC sit on the bench...

[antame]

Meh.

[antame]

Definately not worried about it.

[DRubi15]

More first downs and zero points...when getting first downs wins games vs points on the board let me know.

To be honest, I find it hard to believe he has more first downs than Clausen...let me google that

Edit 1: I don't know about "drive" attempts but I can tell you that Cam has more passing attempts thus far to be considered the "running QB" seems kinda odd that he would have more passes with less drive attempts.

Anyway; passing attempts after 2 preseason games

Jimmy = 22

Cam = 33

Still looking into the other claim you made

Edit 2: Passer ratings for each after 2 games

Jimmy = 81

Cam = 65

Edit 3: First downs

Jimmy = 9

Cam = 7

Cam has had more plays during the first 2 preseason games

Edit 4: I did not count the TD pass to Olsen as a first down

Preseason stats are not that important. Line ups are constantly changing. Different personnel. Different groups. Back ups. More importantly the preseason is for development. Theres a bigger picture. After watching all of last season and watching Jimmy play..and after watching Cam in 2 games so far...Cam has wayyyyyy more talent. Its not even close. Honest opinion

[HPPantherzfan]

Preseason stats are not that important. Line ups are constantly changing. Different personnel. Different groups. Back ups. More importantly the preseason is for development. Theres a bigger picture. After watching all of last season and watching Jimmy play..and after watching Cam in 2 games so far...Cam has wayyyyyy more talent. Its not even close. Honest opinion

You know what? You join the crowd with last years group that said...and I quote "its just preseason, it doesn't matter" when the offense couldn't move the ball or score any points. I'll give you three guesses as to what is happening with Cam at the helm right now

BTW, check back in one min while I finish putting two more stats together to post such as total points the team has scored while each QB was in and the all important yards per attempt...since Jimmy is the check down king

How exactly do you know Cam has wayyyyyyy more talent? Because you hope he does?

[Mr ocho nueve]

Preseason stats are not that important. Line ups are constantly changing. Different personnel. Different groups. Back ups. More importantly the preseason is for development. Theres a bigger picture. After watching all of last season and watching Jimmy play..and after watching Cam in 2 games so far...Cam has wayyyyyy more talent. Its not even close. Honest opinion

What everybody needs to do is FORGET about what he did last season. This is a brand new offense, new and improved weapons. Both quarterbacks are basically rookies in this new era, with the exception that Clausen has played in a lame duck situation and took his beatings.

[Mjsilfies]

I just remembered one of the stats that Colin Cowherd mentioned about Cam that really bothered me is that he has yet to convert a 3rd down.

[Mr ocho nueve]

If by no win situation you mean drafted onto a team he didn't fit.......then yes, it was a no win situation.

Fox needed an option if Moore didn't pan out.....and was hot or cold. Games like the SF game Moore had showed you could win with decent QB. Hell, the NO game that Clausen played showed if you weren't god awful you could compete w/ this team......Clausen did nothing that game and was in position to win on the final drive.

All in all, Clausen played just like he did at ND. He didn't fit and that wasn't his fault nor was it Fox's fault. Both really got screwed.

Good point. Clausen just played like he was taught to. Can't blame him there, but he looks so much better in this new system, so it's hard to say he still doesn't fit in here. Yes Cam was the coaches pick, but Clausen is still on board.

[bleys]

I wouldnt be opposed to watching Cam learn to play in the NFL and watching JC sit on the bench...

cool.

[antame]

I just remembered one of the stats that Colin Cowherd mentioned about Cam that really bothered me is that he has yet to convert a 3rd down.

Cowherd has a thing for hyperbole and sometimes blatent misstatements of fact in driving home his "points", that's his bit. I don't think you're supposed to take it literally when he does that, and certainly don't let it get to you.

[Ruff]

Cowherd once said that umpires in baseball are horrible at calling balls and strikes because they're "fat".

Seriously.

[DRubi15]

You know what? You join the crowd with last years group that said...and I quote "its just preseason, it doesn't matter" when the offense couldn't move the ball or score any points. I'll give you three guesses as to what is happening with Cam at the helm right now

BTW, check back in one min while I finish putting two more stats together to post such as total points the team has scored while each QB was in and the all important yards per attempt...since Jimmy is the check down king

How exactly do you know Cam has wayyyyyyy more talent? Because you hope he does?

1-Not sure why you're a stat rat. Its preseason. The games do not count. They are practice games. Its for the staff to evaluate what their team is capable of. If you have ever played at a high level of competition in athletics you would know this.

2-You are lying to yourself if you say "Jimmy gives us more a chance than Cam". Just by watching the way Cam moves around...stays relaxed under pressure and has ability to escape it...arm action..arm stength...He will make passes Jimmy could never make just due to pure athleticism. He had some impressive throws in the first game. And drops. He is a presence on the field...defenses will have to shift their gameplan towards him (QB spy??)...thus making guys like Olsen. Williams. Smith...even better..Jimmy just isnt a starter in the NFL. A back up possibly...will not be a championship caliber starter.

3-Just because Cam hasnt been able to break big runs...in what 3 or 4 quarters that he's played...doesnt mean he wont have them during the year. Hes hardly had any playing time under the lights...

4-Dont make the point of last year. The organization dumped talented players and clearly packed it in to save money. This team is totally different with a much more aggressive coaching staff. The points WILL come from Cam