The Herd on Cam Newton today

[TheRealDeal]

Don't pretend like you know how Jimmy played last preseason or during Training Camp when you are self admittedly only here for Cam.

Edit: Clausen was the worst starter in all of football last year, at any professional level. He also had to learn a new system that doesn't particularly fit his strengths and didn't have any off season program to work the kinks out in the system.

I don't know who should be ahead since Cam is more physically gifted and athletic but my opinion is that Jimmy is ahead, as minimal as that lead may be, it's a lead.

Is it enough to take the job from Cam, doubt it. I'm more comfortable with Cam on the field anyway.

[CRA]

Moore had a concussion in game one yet was one of the few QBs in the NFL to play the week after a concussion last year.

The team was down 7 points at half and got booed off the field.

Clausen was entered into the game in the 4th.

That sound Fox like? But I don't want to get too far into it, draw your own conclusions to see if Hurney or JR had a hand in it.

Also note the tensions really started to rise when Moore was inserted back into the lineup in Week 6 and Fox started making comments about personnel.

That was one of the worst moves I have seen in Carolina........a shame no one cared about Carolina in the national media. Fox should of been blasted for mishandling the QB situation like that......

[CLTPanther]

Doesn't matter about last year anyway, look forward, not backward. Jimmy does appear to be too timid after Fox got a hold of him. At least Cam hasn't been Fox'd up

[TheRealDeal]

Don't assume it was Fox.

Fox has never been one to rush playing a rookie, now all of the sudden he is?

[CRA]

Don't assume it was Fox.

Fox has never been one to rush playing a rookie, now all of the sudden he is?

I do assume it was Fox. I don't think Jerry or Hurney have a little red phone and said to insert Clausen in the 4th Q of a game still within reach.

I think Fox made a career move week 2.....he realized Moore was struggling and played his Clausen card early. A QB he and everyone in town knew was nowhere near the level at Moore week 2.......he was setting himself up for the league to see he was put in a situation he couldn't win in by the FO (wasn't given anything at QB as one of a few things)....and at the same time a subtle middle finger to the FO.

that is my guess.

[rayzor]

Clausen, by all means should be outplaying Cam by miles. His background lends itself to such a thinking. He has more than three times the reps than Cam, and was trained in the NFL preferred pro-style offense when he left ND. And has a year as a pro play under his belt. Cam had to learn a whole new offense system and didn't have OTA, nor full TC.

Funny thing is, Jimmy isn't playing that much better this preseason than he did his rookie preseason when he was competing with Moore for the starting position.

should be...but the system he played in college might have been "pro ready" (that phrase is BS, but thats another topic) but it is very different than the one being run here and wasn't as close to the offense as they were saying last year. language might have been a little similar but the philosophy was different.

also, clausen is making less mistakes than he did last year...which he should be, but considering the lack of development that took place last year and the whole clusterf*ck that was last year he is essentially entering this year at the same level as cam. kind of sad, though, considering the number of starts he had under his belt playing at ND and last year.

none of that matters, though. newton was drafted to be the QB that the coaching staff and FO didn't believe that clausen could be and he's playing and learning well enough to warrant being thrown in early in the season (or no one is playing well enough that they are making a case for him sitting on the bench).

[Peppers90 NC]

I can see how you believe Cam has hand-cuffed the team, but if this is the case, it's not actually him(Cam so we cant blame him for this) but the powers above. I would hate to think that the decision is not Ron's sole decision, or we as an organization are going down the wrong path, but I think it is his decision to whom starts at QB.

I suspect, since he has been at all the practices, he has a strong idea to not only who has been playing better, but who the team follows more. It was not hard to see that team didnt fully support Jimmy last year, whether that has to do with Jimmy himself, or the situation the team was in last year(lame duck coach yadi yada).

With the very shortened preseason, and the acquisition of Anderson, it would almost be obvious that since he has been in the system, and we dont have much invested in him, that he should be thrown to the wolves first. To me, this is the safest bet, you dont want to ruin the young guys confidence by setting them up with a high chance of unsuccess. But with the offseason resignings, it would appear the team thinks that they are close to being a contender again, so do we want our future to have as much experience as possible going to next year?

Since neither Cam nor Jimmy has exactly separated themselves from each other, and knowing what we know with the two, maybe we let Cam start to get thru the rough patches of being a young NFL quarterback. It is a tough decision either way, but I hope it is Rons and not forced from above.

[CLTPanther]

Problem with Pickles is he is so damn scared to turn it over he won't through more than 5 yards

[Fox007]

I really wonder about Clausens arm strength now that I have re watched the two pre season games. It really looks like he is giving it his all for the ball to only travel 10 maybe 15 yards.

I think Clausen has improved, but he may be limited by his physical attributes rather than his skills as a QB or the mental aspect of the game.

He just has career backup written all over him.

[CRA]

I really wonder about Clausens arm strength now that I have re watched the two pre season games. It really looks like he is giving it his all for the ball to only travel 10 maybe 15 yards.

I think Clausen has improved, but he may be limited by his physical attributes rather than his skills as a QB or the mental aspect of the game.

He just has career backup written all over him.

I have always thought Clausen was an overachiever....has gotten farther than most would have w/ his skill set. But at this level, hardwork and coaching I don't think will be enough to work around it effectively.

[Fox007]

I have always thought Clausen was an overachiever....has gotten farther than most would have w/ his skill set. But at this level, hardwork and coaching I don't think will be enough to work around it effectively.

Right, I think he understands the game, and knows HOW to play it. He is said to be good in preparations and film study. He even reads through his progressions(even though I personally feel like he has made his mind up to check the ball down in most cases).

But he just can only do so much with what hes got.

He is the perfect fit to be a backup QB.

[TheRealDeal]

He is the perfect fit to be a high school QB coach.

Fixed

[Fox007]

Fixed

:rofl:

Ok that was funny but I'm not getting drug into a Matt Moore debate!

[chef17]

Jimmy Clausen -

10 Drives (NY and Miami) - 6 3 and outs. To do the math, 60% of Clausen's drives resulted in 3 and outs.

Cam Newton

12 Drives- (NY and Miami) 6 3 and outs - To do the math, 50% of Cam's drives result in 3 and outs.

Recalling off memory I did have some facts wrong about drive #'s.....the fact Clausen had less drives makes the 3 and out fact worse was the original point I made about drives after NY. With all the talk I forgot and flipped the drives I guess.

*in addition, I counted Goodson fumble on 2nd down for Cam as a 3 and out....which benefits Clausen slightly.

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Clausen lead the O to 6 first downs - 10 drives

Cam lead the O to 10 first downs. - 12 drives

So again, it is factual that Cam has moved the ball better overall in the preseason. My statement of drive # was not correct. I also realized that my calucation had given Clausen a 3 and out when his INT was returened for a TD.....so that took away 1 3 and out and gave him a 1st down to factor in.

How that even possible? We had 10 first downs in the Miami game, 3 in the first half when Cam was playing. So that means Jimmy lead us to 7 first downs in the second half.