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Newton starter vs Bengals, Week 1 starter TBD

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I guess DA is insurance in case Newton and Clausen get hurt...?

Or maybe in case the season is going so poorly they wouldn't want to "risk" putting the young QBs back out there? I dunno, seems weird.

DA just seems to be a guy who can explain things about Chud's system I think. Someone who could see the system through a QB's eyes; and explain something whenever Chud was unavailable. Perhaps they were willing to give him a shot at starting if either of the first two QBs just weren't grasping the philosophy, that must not be the current situation though.

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This is a mistake, IMO. No harm in sitting him. Clausen's looked better slightly.

I worry that by starting him too soon we run the risk of screwing him up for good if he/the team struggles.

A fear of mine as well.

You start a rookie on a rebuilding team only if one of two conditions is true:

1) The team is good enough to carry him

2) He's good enough to (at least somewhat) carry the team

Condition number one hardly ever happens because teams that have high draft picks to use on a franchise QB have them for a reason.

Condition two happens sometimes, but what happens more often is that teams start a guy because they believe it's true when it really isn't.

And sorry fellas, but the guy I've seen playing so far is not ready to start in the NFL. Unless he looks worlds better this week, I can't get behind the idea of throwing him out there.

The way our team looks now, whoever starts is getting thrown to the wolves. I could live with doing that to Derek Anderson. I am not comfortable doing that to Cam Newton.

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A fear of mine as well.

You start a rookie on a rebuilding team only if one of two conditions is true:

1) The team is good enough to carry him

2) He's good enough to (at least somewhat) carry the team

Condition number one hardly ever happens because teams that have high draft picks to use on a franchise QB have them for a reason.

Condition two happens sometimes, but what happens more often is that teams start a guy because they believe it's true when it really isn't.

And sorry fellas, but the guy I've seen playing so far is not ready to start in the NFL. Unless he looks worlds better this week, I can't get behind the idea of throwing him out there.

The way our team looks now, whoever starts is getting thrown to the wolves. I cold live with doing that to Derek Anderson. I am not comfortable doing that to Cam Newton.

How do you expect Cam to show his full potential, when nothing went right the Miami game? The rushing game failed, the offensive line failed, Smitty not playing, some can be blamed on Newton himself like missing open WR's because he threw off his back foot. I'd like to see what he can do at starter with all over 'stars' starting.

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A fear of mine as well.

You start a rookie on a rebuilding team only if one of two conditions is true:

1) The team is good enough to carry him

2) He's good enough to (at least somewhat) carry the team

Condition number one hardly ever happens because teams that have high draft picks to use on a franchise QB have them for a reason.

Condition two happens sometimes, but what happens more often is that teams start a guy because they believe it's true when it really isn't.

And sorry fellas, but the guy I've seen playing so far is not ready to start in the NFL. Unless he looks worlds better this week, I can't get behind the idea of throwing him out there.

The way our team looks now, whoever starts is getting thrown to the wolves. I cold live with doing that to Derek Anderson. I am not comfortable doing that to Cam Newton.

I don't think our team is really rebuiding,one of the reasons we drafted at the top had nothing to do with lack of talent but injuries. The team is not bare for talent. Mass injuries and a lame duck coach who refused to embrace the youth movement can attribute to most of last season.

With that said has newton really look as awful as some of us are making it out to be? Look around the league and you see most of the rookies are doing worse than he is. He his one of the few to have not thrown a pick yet. yes his rating is low but, we haven't seen him with smith,wharton, and otah. the team has yet to use a game plan which is what is needed.

Cam is not going to go out there and throw more than 20 passes a game and is going to lean heavy on the running game. all he has to do is manage the game. I think we have a good enuff offense to allow him to be successful in that role. His footwork is all im really concerned about as he is showing he is capable of making decent reads. give him some time i think he'll be fine.

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A fear of mine as well.

You start a rookie on a rebuilding team only if one of two conditions is true:

1) The team is good enough to carry him

2) He's good enough to (at least somewhat) carry the team

Condition number one hardly ever happens because teams that have high draft picks to use on a franchise QB have them for a reason.

Condition two happens sometimes, but what happens more often is that teams start a guy because they believe it's true when it really isn't.

And sorry fellas, but the guy I've seen playing so far is not ready to start in the NFL. Unless he looks worlds better this week, I can't get behind the idea of throwing him out there.

The way our team looks now, whoever starts is getting thrown to the wolves. I cold live with doing that to Derek Anderson. I am not comfortable doing that to Cam Newton.

I agree with you that I believe this team is going to take its lumps with either Clausen or Cam as the starter.

And, I am always worried about throwing a young guy out there too soon and destroying his psyche.

However, I do believe that Cam is mentally strong enough to handle it....at least from what I have seen. If they do start him and we go down this path, I hope and pray we don't have another Carr or Harrington situation.

Starting him early is a risky proposition....and I hope that Rivera and staff make the correct one.

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I agree with you that I believe this team is going to take its lumps with either Clausen or Cam as the starter.

And, I am always worried about throwing a young guy out there too soon and destroying his psyche.

However, I do believe that Cam is mentally strong enough to handle it....at least from what I have seen. If they do start him and we go down this path, I hope and pray we don't have another Carr or Harrington situation.

Starting him early is a risky proposition....and I hope that Rivera and staff make the correct one.

the bust/success right is about the same if you start or sit a top drafted rookie QB.

Mentally, I don't think you can put Cam in a hole he can't work his way out of.....so I am not worried about that. Might was well start him.

Cam doesn't look ready I agree....but a 2nd year Clausen looks no more ready. Might was well roll w/ the one who has the highest ceiling.....and the fact that isn't close makes it an easy decision.

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If Cam truly is our QB of the future and we are going to sit Cam week 1, it would make more sense to start Anderson than Clausen. That way Cam can learn first hand from a veteran in a familiar system. He'll learn hardly anything from Jimmy playing. Sure it's a bit risky to start Cam but I think Rivera will end up doing so.

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If Cam truly is our QB of the future and we are going to sit Cam week 1, it would make more sense to start Anderson than Clausen. That way Cam can learn first hand from a veteran in a familiar system. He'll learn hardly anything from Jimmy playing. Sure it's a bit risky to start Cam but I think Rivera will end up doing so.

Not sure he will learn anything from DA being on the field either. Delhomme principle....Jake can teach a kid a thing or two in meeting rooms and from the sidelines....but he simply can't get anything done on a field anymore. Clausen and Anderson were horrific last year..........neither probably deserve to see the field this year.

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Not sure he will learn anything from DA being on the field either. Delhomme principle....Jake can teach a kid a thing or two in meeting rooms and from the sidelines....but he simply can't get anything done on a field anymore. Clausen and Anderson were horrific last year..........neither probably deserve to see the field this year.

I am not saying that they should or will but if you're gonna play either of the two you have to go with the guy that knows the system. It's more beneficial to do so. But I am in favor of starting Cam.

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I don't think you understand how to act your age. You look damn near 40 and act like a 9 year old. It'd be nice if you showed your wife as much attention as you show Cam;)""

I look 40? Wow

Hey TRD how did the Dt's or CB's look to you what is your breakdown on those positions?????

Quick breakdown, they suck.

Honestly any further than that and you'd get lost anyway because you probably don't understand the game on the level necessary to truly evaluate DTs and I don't think you understand the game enough to understand coverage schemes, responsibilities, etc to breakdown CB play.

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It seems to me that unless Newton throws more than one int interception and can't settle down in the red zone- he's starting. The press is reporting the coaching staff is impressed with his learning curve and he the freakin number draft choice....not to mention the ticket sales.

I'm too lazy to look it up , but hasn't Newton pretty much spent the last couple years walking on to new teams? He's not like Clausen in that way, It appears the kid likes the challenge and can recover from poor plays...

Not to mention that this may be the first time he called the plays from the huddle...and I haven't seen any issues with him doing that, even with an short call list.

It Newton's to lose, and with some game time action under his belt, I don't see him getting worse...

what the old saying in baseball?..two players run to first base, both have the same split time but one is fundamentally sound and the other is not...who do you want on your team? the one that can improve...

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what the old saying in baseball?..two players run to first base, both have the same split time but one is fundamentally sound and the other is not...who do you want on your team? the one that can improve...

what about when you can have both guys on your team and the guy with the sound fundamentals can start while the guy who is still improving gets better while working with the coaches, film, practices, etc?

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