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Newton starter vs Bengals, Week 1 starter TBD

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Proudiddy Grand Master

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http://www.nfl.com/player/mattmoore/2507282/gamelogs?season=2007

edit: I don't see how saying that Cam didn't look good is hating just because he played the Dolphins. It's reality. He didn't look good. There are plenty of excuses for it, but he's going to hopefully play better. I don't think Cam looked TERRIBLE, but I think it's fair to look at his performance and say he didn't impress...

I mistyped, I meant to say MM threw 3 INTs against starters before he ever threw a TD.

All of his preseason action was irrelevant because he wasn't competing against 1st team defenses his rookie year.

As far as Cam, no, he didn't impress, but people keep spewing stats without context. The Dolphins have possibly the best D-backfield in the NFL and it appears that they did plan, at least SOME, for this previous game (although that is just speculation, albeit very likely form what we saw). Our playcalling wasn't fluid and he misfired on a few throws... Otherwise, there wasn't much of a chance to do anything because we didn't sustain drives, which again was in part due to the playcalling.

By no means did he play lights out, but what did any of you expect? He's a rookie, no one said he was going to come out and have the greatest rookie season ever, at least I haven't. Even the best (arguably) QB in the game right now had a HUGE INT problem his rookie season... It happens. Look at Andy Dalton's performances this year so far. Even Mallett threw a pick against backups after everyone jumping on his jock PS week 1. Rookies make mistakes, it has to be expected.

But at this point, Cam's mistakes are less impactful than what other rookie QBs mistakes... He has showed flashes of brilliance, and with more reps, we'll see more of that.

What's hating is ignoring all relevant information showing all the good he is doing in order to shape an argument geared towards completely degrading him both now and in the future based off meaningless stats lacking context.

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We have a project QB rookie and the worst starter in the NFL from a season ago.

Gradkowski, TJax, Whitehurst have all shown to be better than what we have currently.

And the Seahawks are in a much, MUCH weaker division.

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that's not true... Jimmy actually had people excited in preseason, he had a couple nice drives and some nice throws. Clausen also had a couple drives here and there where he was successful during the regular season, and I know that after the Bengals game people were actually positive about him. But reality set in the more he played. TONS of people were all about Clausen at the start of the season, though, and I don't know how you can forget that.

I guarantee you that if Cam was an undrafted free agent rookie with no history and came in and played like he is, there wouldn't be near the excitement about him. Half of the excitement about him is the hope he brings after two national championships at the college level... It's the hope that is most attractive about Cam, not his play so far, though he's had his moments and he's going to hopefully only get better. That's fine, but let's not rewrite history and pretend Clausen never had any nice plays last year either.

I do actually agree with a lot of the second paragraph but to this day Clausen hasn't shown me the things Cam has.

I am not saying Cam has played great or anything. Not by a long shot. But the potential you see with Cam out there dwarfs what little potential Clausen has shown over the last year and a half (or whatever).

I have said overall Jimmy has maybe outplayed Cam in the preseason games. And when it is all said and done Clausen could end up being a better QB than Cam.

What I am basically trying to say is Cam's flashes in 4 quarters are a lot more impressive than Clausen's flashes to date.

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Cam's flashes include two passes underthrown for 30 yard gains, a decent corner route that most QBs make, and a dig route that most QBs make.

Flashes of brilliance.

How long do we wait for a flash of a TD pass?

How long do we wait for you to not be an annoying troll anymore? Your schtick is way past old.

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Miami shouldn't really help either QB's case anyways, both of them played average.

Not much you can do when you only have around 7+ minutes of possession time, compared to 20+ .

It's like people expected him to orchestrate a scoring drive everytime he touched the field.

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Proudiddy Grand Master

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I honestly don't value your opinion enough to comment on the rest of your post, I just wanted to point out the inaccuracy in the facts you tried to present.

Feel free to ignore the context of those plays as well, no one cares he came in to throw a hail mary that got picked off.

No you just don't possess enough intelligence or facts to backup your baseless, hate-filled opinion.

Yet another reason to ignore your nonsense - Hailmarys don't count as throws? I'll write that down in my amended rules rulebook according to TRD. He still had 2 more INTs thrown before he ever threw a TD against starters and then followed up his first thrown TD with another INT in the same game.

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...Otherwise, there wasn't much of a chance to do anything because we didn't sustain drives, which again was in part due to the playcalling....

What's hating is ignoring all relevant information showing all the good he is doing in order to shape an argument geared towards completely degrading him both now and in the future based off meaningless stats lacking context.

Can't blame playcalling for execution completley. If you want to blame the OL, recievers, QB, whoever, but come on. The playcalling wasn't so bad that we wouldn't complete a single third down conversion in the first half (and that includes the 2nd quarter when we were NOT playing the Fins #1s), and only get a small handful of first downs. Playcalling wasn't good, but neither was execution, from top to bottom.

I don't see why you think we're ignoring relevant information showing good he's done... I don't know of a single poster that has said he hasn't made at least some nice throws.

I also don't know what stats we're trying to use to show "how bad" he is. Most stats are people doing stupid stuff like comparing him to Bradford, manning, etc. Unless you mean that retarded bet about Cam vs TRD but that was not a serious part of this thread, so I wouldn't even pay attention to it.

My issues with Cam don't show up on a stat sheet anyway.

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