Newton starter vs Bengals, Week 1 starter TBD

[micnificent28]

Never said he was anything other than "pretty good"

So incompletions don't count when evaluating QB play? You think when they watch the film the next day they will say "Incomplete pass, no need looking at it..."

This is also new to me.

So cam not throwing a pick or turnover is worse than moore's fumble that lead to a score? Moore played no worse or better than cam against lesser comp.

[CRA]

they did and TRD said that over and over, but it was the metric chosen by the other dude so w/e.

imo Moore was the second best quarterback in that game, and I don't think it was close.

okay.....but it is still a flawed bet. One I never discussed nor care to.

As far as Moore being the 2nd best...probably but it is still a flawed scenario.

Look at Henne vs. Cam and leave Moore out of it.

Henne was throwing to probably one of the top 3 WRs in the league vs. scrub corners.

Cam was throwing against garbage WRs against the Phins starting CBs.....

I mean you can compare them as starting QBs......but the field is setup to make it a completely bogus comparison.

[TheRealDeal]

Yes, incompletions do count when just evaluting QB play.....

but so do turnovers and they have much more influence.

You know, kinda like you acknowledged Cam's dropped throws or good throws broken up and quickly dismissed them last week.

So in purely evaluating QB play, a perfectly thrown TD pass that was dropped weighs more than a sack fumble on a play that you know nothing about?

Just trying to establish a baseline here.

[rico6]

Someone should really Photoshop a troll face onto Cam.

Cause that's all he's doing to y'all fools.

[HPPantherzfan]

but we did.

and we are going to use him on roll outs...

I know and I'm sad

Just because we are going to use him in roll outs doesn't mean its the right thing to do...if the coaches are going to play to this kids strengths then having him roll out to pass the ball should not be in the playbook...at least not until he gets his mechanics under control.

Anyone that has watched him objectively will know this. Kid is not accurate enough standing in a pocket to hit all the throws...why have him try it on the run?

[MWCarolina]

ok, it's clear they want Cam to start, to have him play 3 quarters shows that.

[TheRealDeal]

So cam not throwing a pick or turnover is worse than moore's fumble that lead to a score? Moore played no worse or better than cam against lesser comp.

How many failed third down or stalled drives = one turnover?

Moore also gave his team a chance at a TD, Cam barely crossed the 50

Lots of things to consider...

Only the true Cam apologists think it's even close.

[HeatCheck]

Matt Moore played better than Cam. But in the end, playing better doesn't mean you are a better QB.

Cam didnt play bad just not as good as Moore.

[CRA]

In your opinion, who played better? Considering everything?

out of who?

Moore and Cam?

They weren't comparable scenarios to even talk about......you can't compare a guy going against a top tier D unit in the NFL most likely.....to a guy going against backups.

[mav1234]

As far as Moore being the 2nd best...probably but it is still a flawed scenario.

it is, I agree. everything about comparing two players in the preseason is flawed, but we're fans, and we like to do stupid poo because we're bored.

cam will get better, friday wasn't his best day but it won't be his last.

[TheRealDeal]

You can evaluate them on what you saw, unless you don't think you are knowledgeable to to take everything into consideration and evaluate their play.

[CRA]

How many failed third down or stalled drives = one turnover?

Moore also gave his team a chance at a TD, Cam barely crossed the 50Lots of things to consider...

Only the true Cam apologists think it's even close.

Last time I checked Carolina was a team built to run.....

and they didn't attempt to actually run the ball w/ Cam in.....

So the offense not moving that smoothly should be no surprise.

[koolkatluke]

So in purely evaluating QB play, a perfectly thrown TD pass that was dropped weighs more than a sack fumble on a play that you know nothing about?

Just trying to establish a baseline here.

Aren't you doing a 180 from last week? You didn't give credit for Cam throwing good passes at Lafell in the end zone or the drops by Edwards and Clowny. Now you want to bring up drops?

[mav1234]

You can evaluate them on what you saw, unless you don't think you are knowledgeable to to take everything into consideration and evaluate their play.

I don't know things like who was open down field etc... I have no access to the routes the receivers were running down field because very few camera angles gave us access to that.

based on what I DID see, it looked like Moore played very well, and Jimmy and Cam not as well.

But it's still a bit flawed... fun to discuss, but hard to really say too much about it.

Last time I checked Carolina was a team built to run.....

and they didn't attempt to actually run the ball w/ Cam in.....

So the offense not moving that smoothly should be no surprise.

they did run the ball with cam early... but when your quarterback isn't completing passes and the couple run plays you had don't go anywhere, you end up in 3rd and longs. Then you end up down, and once you're down...

they did run on the first couple drives and the offense still was ineffective, so I don't think that was really what was up.