Newton starter vs Bengals, Week 1 starter TBD

[CRA]

Fumbles count?

This is new.

Yes. Fumbles and turnovers DO count when evaluating a QBs play.....

I stated early they don't influence Qb rating.....but a Qb rating isn't all there is to evaluating a QBs play. Unless there is something new I don't know about.......where people ignore what a QB does on the field and only looks at the QB rating.

[HeatCheck]

And the Dolphins WRs

Anybody's WR really...

[TheRealDeal]

nah it's because it's a new system for him!!! ;)

We should sticky a thread of excuses that is just for Cam apologists to take from when they need it.

[Ted Stryker]

RealDeal would have easily won if Moore would have had enough attempts.

The Panthers 1st team (with Cam starting) played so poor and got so far behind that all Matt Moore needed to do was hand the ball off.

Bottom line, don't miss with the RealDeal!

Cough (fan boy) cough

[CRA]

If you have ever watched him roll out and try to hit someone you would know it makes perfect sense...sorry, not bashing but he will throw it in the dirt ever single time...especially if he is rolling to his right.

I have watched him.....

and again, if you don't use designed plays rolling him out.....then you should of never drafted him.

Why do you think for his first NFL snap Chud had him rolling out?

[mav1234]

Yes. Fumbles and turnovers DO count when evaluating a QBs play.....

I stated early they don't influence Qb rating.....but a Qb rating isn't all there is to evaluating a QBs play. Unless there is something new I don't know about.......where people ignore what a QB does on the field and only looks at the QB rating.

the bet was about qb rating, but beyond that, sure fumbles play into evaluating a QB's play, but so too does who that QB is playing with and against... and what mistakes/good plays their receivers made on the ball etc...

[TheRealDeal]

A turnover is a turnover. Don't act like moore was flawless when he had the games lone turnover.

Never said he was anything other than "pretty good"

Yes. Fumbles and turnovers DO count when evaluating a QBs play.....

I stated early they don't influence Qb rating.....but a Qb rating isn't all there is to evaluating a QBs play. Unless there is something new I don't know about.......where people ignore what a QB does on the field and only looks at the QB rating.

So incompletions don't count when evaluating QB play? You think when they watch the film the next day they will say "Incomplete pass, no need looking at it..."

This is also new to me.

[CRA]

the bet was about qb rating, but beyond that, sure fumbles play into evaluating a QB's play, but so too does who that QB is playing with and against... and what mistakes/good plays their receivers made on the ball etc...

I don't care about there silly bet.....and i wasn't talking about there bet.

If they made a bet about who had the best QB rating.....then it was a flawed bet to begin w/ b/c that doesn't = which QB plays better always.

[HPPantherzfan]

I have watched him.....

and again, if you don't use designed plays rolling him out.....then you should of never drafted him.

Why do you think for his first NFL snap Chud had him rolling out?

A lot of people tried to say we should have never drafted him; at least not number one overall anyway, that he doesn't have the passing experience that an NFL QB has to have.

And to answer your question, to have him do things that he does not accel at? I really don't know, after going to three practices and watching the first two games Cam should NOT roll out of the pocket and and try to pass the ball. If he rolls out, he should keep rolling right on up the field.

[TheRealDeal]

I don't care about there silly bet.....and i wasn't talking about there bet.

If they made a bet about who had the best QB rating.....then it was a flawed bet to begin w/ b/c that doesn't = which QB plays better always.

In your opinion, who played better? Considering everything?

[HPPantherzfan]

In your opinion, who played better? Considering everything?

Oh you ask for it

[mav1234]

I don't care about there silly bet.....and i wasn't talking about there bet.

If they made a bet about who had the best QB rating.....then it was a flawed bet to begin w/ b/c that doesn't = which QB plays better always.

they did and TRD said that over and over, but it was the metric chosen by the other dude so w/e.

imo Moore was the second best quarterback in that game, and I don't think it was close.

[CRA]

So incompletions don't count when evaluating QB play? You think when they watch the film the next day they will say "Incomplete pass, no need looking at it..."

This is also new to me.

Yes, incompletions do count when just evaluting QB play.....

but so do turnovers and they have much more influence.

You know, kinda like you acknowledged Cam's dropped throws or good throws broken up and quickly dismissed them last week.

[mav1234]

A lot of people tried to say we should have never drafted him

but we did.

and we are going to use him on roll outs...