Inside the Numbers - Cam vs Clausen - Plus a guest appearance

[Zod]

yeah ur in the wrong fuging place

this is the internet, not some trendy coffee shop for art fags in noda

Amen.

Now if you will excuse my my wheat grass smoothie is calling.

[footballisasport]

yeah ur in the wrong fuging place

this is the internet, not some trendy coffee shop for art fags in noda

such a welcoming reality check..:yikes:

[Easyt65]

From seeing those throws, IMO, Cam looks like the starter.

...BUT....

- Jimmy is more accurate

- Cam seems more comfortable in the pocket (while being less accurate)

- Cam better at escaping

- Jimmy's footwork is awesome compared to Cams

- Cam has to work on his all around accuracy

:confused:

Cam looks like the starter based on the throws...but based on the throws Cam has poor footwork, SEEMS more comfortable in the pocket, but is less accurate when the ball comes out of the pocket?!

Clausen looked better than Cam versus Miami - not a lot better, but better. Neither one has TAKEN the reins yet.

Jimmy was a 2nd round pick last year heralded as 'the most Panther-ready QB in last year's draft'. when thrown into the fire too soon, he failed to be a rare successful 1st-year-starter on a team that pretty much $ucked. So the obvious choice was to give up on him quickly and move to draft another QB in hopes that HE can be the rare successful 1st-year-starter that we all hoped Jimmy could be. :rolleyes:

I will be surprised if Cam's 1st year turns out to be much better, if any, than Jimmy's. QBs need time to develop. When done right, Rodgers in GB is the perfect example. The guy toted a clipboard and road walked the sidelines while he learned for a while and then came out a stud when it was his time.

Right now Jimmy is slighly better than Cam, as he should be as a 2nd year QB, but not MUCH better. As I said, they both have a ways to go, and neither one has TAKEN the reins. Personally I hope they both develop into great QBs - what a problem to have!

[Easyt65]

I dont think they are even close to equal...Cam is a specimen for a QB.

Yeah, and Eric Shelton was a 'specimen' for / of a RB, too....

I would rather have a 'productive player' than a 'specimen'. Neither Clausen nor Newton can be called 'productive' at this point.

[adub2b23]

Pretty much all of clausens throws were either check downs or flat passes, and against the dolphins 2-4 team defense. How is that better than cam at all? Cam wen't 7-14 against a nasty dolphins secondary, without smith. Sure cam's footwork looks awkward, but he's still making throws jimmy can't/won't ever make.

[footballisasport]

So are we going to use Cam's supposed footworks issues as grounds to say that he isn't ready? Three tds and a win...but his footworks was bad. Leading the Panthers to one of their best season...but his footworks was bad..Yep, anything to hold back an unwelcomed QB.

[chef17]

So are we going to use Cam's supposed footworks issues as grounds to say that he isn't ready? Three tds and a win...but his footworks was bad. Leading the Panthers to one of their best season...but his footworks was bad..Yep, anything to hold back an unwelcomed QB.

Ok what the hell are you talking about here? Are you trying to say saying people will "hold him back" by talking about his footwork if he leads the Panthers to one of their best seasons?

[mav1234]

So are we going to use Cam's supposed footworks issues as grounds to say that he isn't ready? Three tds and a win...but his footworks was bad. Leading the Panthers to one of their best season...but his footworks was bad..Yep, anything to hold back an unwelcomed QB.

You'll find that when cam actually moves the offense and scores some touchdowns, a lot of us will be much happier with him. I'm not impressed with future predictions of what he could do, because he hasn't done those things yet.

I'll still acknowledge his mistakes when they occur, but the more positive plays he has, the more positive about them I will be.

[edromeo]

So instead, I just put together a highlight (if you can call it that) of each QB's pass attempts, as well as their run attempts, and sacks.

passing stats: 7 of 14 for 66 yards

rushing stats: 4 rush att for 18 yards

Thanks for this thread.

I'm a little late to the party but I wanted to watch the re-play and catch the plays in context.

Here's my take on Cam's play: (flame suit on)

1st Series I'm gonna do it in series by series

o Under Center-In rhythm on target texas route to Olsen from dual TE stack ®-

-Cam throws these types of passes effortlessly and they make up a major part of NFL passing offenses

o (:30s) U.C.-Playaction has pressure around and throws off his backfoot and misses a deep comeback (L) to Edwards?

-Cam should step up and deliver this throw, he cannot allow his mechanics to breakdown in a muddle pocket or

In this case there appeared to be a good running lane (@:33s) on the (L)eftside given an open running lane if Cam feels he cannot step up and deliver a throw because of the pressure in his face he should try and run for the 1st down

o (:39s) Gun-3rd&8 Looks downfield free rusher ® LB runs (L) doesn't convert the 1st down

-Pre-snap phase: Cam's gotta expect and recognize the blitz on 3rd down and slide protection; he's also gotta identify his hot WR and change his normal read progression in this case I think WR#6 from the (L) running a Slant-Sit route was his hot look @ :44s but you can really see him open @1:01if Cam hits him early and maybe catch and run for the 1st down

-I also thought that Cam dropped his eyes early on the scramble ,but he was being chased, it looked like Olsen had a step on his man @1:04 (and he threw his hand up trying to make himself available to Cam) but I also don't know where the S was on this play

[edromeo]

2nd Series

o (1:26) UC -Play action rhythm throw to Shockey on a 16 yd corner route (L)

-A tougher throw then it looks (26 yards in the air) Cam flashes the arm strength and delivers on time on target from a clean pocket

o (1:50) UC -Don't normally comment on screen passes but Cam throws this ball away playing it safe, I thought he killed it too early and could ran toward the (L) and given the back a chance to get out on the screen by extending the play a little

o (1:58) Gun-3rd&8 Olsen runs a 6-7 yard out towards the ® sideline-Cam was on time on target with the throw but the Olsen ran it short of the first down

-I'm gonna nit-pick here and its admittedly a risky throw that could result in an incompletion but if Cam throws Olsen open with an earlier ball thrown further upfield @47-48 yd line then Olsen has a better chance to catch and run

[edromeo]

3rd series

o Gun TE 6 yd in route in rhythm on time on target, easy read easy throw

o ? (2:41) Comeback (L) to Edwards- clean pocket no pressure just flat out misses an open Edwards. These are the types of random misses that Cam or any QB cannot have, concentration lapse? Who nows, simply can't have that though.

o Gun (2:47) 3rd&4 Blitz sack. Shula is gonna have to work with Cam a lot here as with most young QB Cam is not recognizing/reacting pre-snap to the blitz to either make a protection change or alert the hot route. RT #65 didn't do Cam any favors with his "Look Out!" block on the NB. At first look I thought Cam didn't look at Shock but @ 3:04 he's looking that way but Shockey doesn't have his head around yet and by the time Shock is open @ 3:05/6 Fins #37 is already closing.

[edromeo]

4th Series

o Gun (3:13) PA Zone read TE screen

o Gun (3:19) Blitz. Cam throws off back foot (3:21) to WR#6 running a post (L).

-Cam didn't recognize blitz/hot, likely stayed on his 1st read when @ (3:20) Edwards is open on the ® 5 yard square in

-Rushed decision b/c of pressure and made a bad choice throwing into coverage could've been intercepted

o Gun 3rd&9 PA Zone read WR screen.

-Wasted playcall imo passed up a chance to get Cam comfortable with 3rd (long) down defense especially pre-snap and 'seeing' the blitz and post snap blitz react.

[KBlizz]

excellent quality. i love it, man. keep them coming!

[edromeo]

Thanks, I'm almost finished the last series and a summary.

I'll be able to start my own thread soon, so I might move the whole breakdown there and hope for some good old fashioned open friendly Xs and Os talk.