Rivera should hit the brakes on picking QB

[jtm]

Dan Marino would not be successful here unless our Oline starts opening holes and protecting. I don't know what is the problem. I gave our Oline a mulligan last year and now I am beginning to become a bit concerned.

[Mr. Scot]

IMO, Rico is right. QB that gives us the best chance to win should start. I think that's Clausen. I do think it might be Newton later in the season, but for now, I think it's Clausen. I don't think that is all that is going into the decision. There is much more going into this decision.

I also think it helps rookies to sit but that's a discussion for another thread.

edit: why are we saying Clausen went 1-16 again? also, why should he beat out a rookie if the rookie is ready to start? this is all so circular, it's like we're back to pre draft days.

Don't know that I'd go with the "best chance to win" logic this season.

Next season, for sure. But this is a transitional year.

[ncbobcat]

Jimmy's game one critisms:

-Only threw to backs and TE's

-Looked jittery in the pocket

-Was decent with the starters, but didn't have to play with all backups

-Didn't try any deep balls

-Threw a pick 6

Cam in game Two-

-Only threw to backs and TE's

-Looked jittery in the pocket

-Was decent with the starters, but didn't have to play with all backups

-Didn't try any deep balls

So outside of the pick 6 which I highlighted Cam's performance almost mirrors Jimmy's with less accuracy and no TDs.

Yet Cam had a really good night, but Jimmy's last week was...meh. Hey, Cam didn't have a pick 6! I'm wondering how long that one play is going to be the hugger's straw man. Jimmy has led to two of three TD drives while Cam has none. Me thinks moving the ball and scoring touchdowns trumps ONE bad throw.

[footballisasport]

Jimmy's game one critisms:

-Only threw to backs and TE's

-Looked jittery in the pocket

-Was decent with the starters, but didn't have to play with all backups

-Didn't try any deep balls

-Threw a pick 6

Cam in game Two-

-Only threw to backs and TE's

-Looked jittery in the pocket

-Was decent with the starters, but didn't have to play with all backups

-Didn't try any deep balls

So outside of the pick 6 which I highlighted Cam's performance almost mirrors Jimmy's with less accuracy and no TDs.

Yet Cam had a really good night, but Jimmy's last week was...meh. Hey, Cam didn't have a pick 6! I'm wondering how long that one play is going to be the hugger's straw man. Jimmy has led to two of three TD drives while Cam has none. Me thinks moving the ball and scoring touchdowns trumps ONE bad throw.

Ur question should be why does a one year vet's game looks remarkably like a rookie with only three weeks of practice? But I guess Cam is the one who has to rise to Clausen's level...Right?

[Cat'sGrowl]

Who said Cam had a really good night?

Oh. Your argument needed that. Okay. I'll try not to ruin it.

[ncbobcat]

Ur question should be why does a one year vet's game looks remarkably like a rookie with only three weeks of practice? But I guess Cam is the one who has to rise to Clausen's level...Right?

Yep, and he hasn't got there yet. When he does, I'll be ready for Cam to start.

Wow, really?

[ncbobcat]

Who said Cam had a really good night?

Oh. Your argument needed that. Okay. I'll try not to ruin it.

For one, the guy using a retired OL 'talking head' assesment on our rookie QB.

[ncbobcat]

Furthermore, what I find funny is if you are not a hugger you must:

a) Hate Cam

b) Be a Jimmy fan

Objectively looking at this QB competition is NOT option 'C'. It's either A or B damnit.

[Marguide]

People, our problems last night went way beyond the QB's. Other than maybe special teams, the other squads played like absolute crap, including our first team offensive line. I still have not seen a legitimate 2nd WR on the field, and if our defense can't get the ball back in the hands of our offense every now and then, we are in trouble. This is true whether it's Jimmy, Cam, or whoever as the QB.

Add to that the coaches performed like rookies last night, and still have much to learn.

Due to the lockout, we have been behind since day 1. It's not a normal preseason, and I don't believe it is imperative that we name our starter now.

Play the starters 3 quarters in the next game, and split the reps between Jimmy and Cam. Make your decision based on that game. If the team still looks like it did last night night, then start Clausen or DA. I don't want to ruin Cam by putting him in when the situation is untenable, or when he is not ready.

We absolutely have to find a good 2nd receiver in the meantime, along with help at the DT position. Without that, it is going to be ugly for whoever plays.

[monstercat]

It won't matter who the QB is, if the Panthers can't run the ball or stop the run better than they did last night.

[footballisasport]

Not gonna happen, per Rivera last night.

Nor should it,in my eyes. You do that and you waste valuable reps with our young guns.

Developing a QB takes time...

Something must have happened to change Rivera's mind from his original statement that the lead QB's position was available to all three...May the best man win attitude.

[psyburn21]

Cam in game Two-

-Only threw to backs and TE's

The out throw to Shockey was excellent because Cam did go thru his progressions on that play to find him.

He miss fired one at least three passes to WRs with the most glaring to me that throw into double coverage off his backfoot. The two that he skipped off the ground to the wrs were also poor footwork.

-Looked jittery in the pocket

When the Dolphins got pressure on him, Cam definitely was jittery. But he also had several passes in a clean pocket were he was dead on. Getting jittery because of pressure caused the poor footwork and inaccurate throws.

-Was decent with the starters, but didn't have to play with all backups

-Didn't try any deep balls

Credit there goes to the Dolphins defense. They did a good job covering downfield and getting pressure on him. There were a few plays were he was looking downfield and either had to run or take a sack.

[footballisasport]

Yep, and he hasn't got there yet. When he does, I'll be ready for Cam to start.

Wow, really?

Judging by ur comparison list, it seems as if Cam has already gotten there minus a TD and a bit more accuracy. Things that can be worked on.:biggrin5:

[ncbobcat]

Not MY comparison, the views held by the vast number of Cam supporters. If you would like my breakdown of pros and cons of the two, Jimmy is ahead by a good bit.

Agreed everything can be worked on, but don't assume Cam is the only one intent on or that will improve.