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frash.exe

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what needs to be incorporated in the discussion is what defenses could or could NOT do back then. stick em anyone? bump and run?

Thats the beauty of football to me. the ebb and flow and trends that force teams to adapt, whether it be talent, rules or formations.

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what needs to be incorporated in the discussion is what defenses could or could NOT do back then. stick em anyone? bump and run?

Thats the beauty of football to me. the ebb and flow and trends that force teams to adapt, whether it be talent, rules or formations.

part of why the passing game is soooo prevalent right now is because many more rules have been created against defenses as far as contact goes in the first place. It's part of why even rookie QBs are more successful and WRs can get open more. It's our time, and way overdue at this point for us to join the other teams in exploiting the benefits of those rules. The NFL hasn't made running the ball easier over time than passing the ball.

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At it's core, the Coryell system is all about power running and vertical passing. That's it, nothing fancy about it. And just about every team in the NFL that isn't running a West Coast Offense runs the Erhardt-Perkins system we just left, or a variation of Coryell. Coryell can be done with anywhere from two to five receivers, it can include the Tight End as a receiver, as a blocker, or both. It's all about precise routes, play-action, and power running (Why else do you think John Fox allowed in in Carolina for so long?).

http://www.derp/2011/2/5/1975521/so-what-will-the-offense-look-like-in-2011-part-one

Today I'm taking a less in depth approach and looking purely at the statistics from three different seasons, the Carolina Panthers successful 2008 campaign, the 2010 San Diego Chargers where Chudzinski was the assistant head coach and the 2007 Cleveland Browns where Chud was the offensive coordinator. The words of St. Pete Times writer Greg Auman served as the catalyst for this discovery as he said yesterday over this

http://www.derp/2011/6/1/2200621/getting-to-brass-tacks-what-will-be-the-differences-in-chudzinskis

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Here's another very valuable reference for our offense. The route trees are probably covering the basics of what the WRs and TEs are being instructed by our offensive coaches. I wish the last image in the first link was stapled to every TE's head from 2003-2010.

http://footballpressbox.blogspot.com/2010/10/real-wco-air-coryell-series.html

http://footballpressbox.blogspot.com/2010/10/air-coryell-series-part-ii-525-f-post.html

This one illustrates the F-post they were talking about in the article I posted in the OP in one variation.

http://footballpressbox.blogspot.com/2010/10/air-coryell-series-part-iii-notable.html

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yea. even though we ran AC with Fox here with Henning, it was more of a passing complement to the running game. At least it was built to be. Fox is a guy who will invest his time into building and developing a no.1 running game, which, even today is a good idea, but the problem is, he doesn't really care about the passing game, about developing QBs and looking for a very good 2nd WR that can stretch the defense vertically. He doesn't think of a young QB as an asset, he'd rather just get a vet he can rely on getting a completion/first down/TD when he needs him to.

steve smith, moose, ricky proehl.

That says the passing game was important to fox.

The talent lost, never got properly replaced. Whether it was draft picks that didn't develop, or free agents that didn't pan out.

Coaches can only work with what they have.

The Panthers were #2 in the league for most passes of 40 + yards in 2003.

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Ok, because in 2003 the panthers were tied with 4 other teams for 4th place, not 2nd.
not quite how i remember it...but the point remains the same.

The Panthers offense was also one of the most balanced in the league that year, heading into, and throughout the playoff run they made.

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yes and nothing proves a point like a very inconsistent stat. what about the point that fox inherited 2 of those guys? and Proehl, money as he could be in the slot, was not a very good no.2 receiver. and what does the third sentence about how the talent never got replaced do anything but prove my point?

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yea. even though we ran AC with Fox here with Henning, it was more of a passing complement to the running game. At least it was built to be. Fox is a guy who will invest his time into building and developing a no.1 running game, which, even today is a good idea, but the problem is, he doesn't really care about the passing game, about developing QBs and looking for a very good 2nd WR that can stretch the defense vertically. He doesn't think of a young QB as an asset, he'd rather just get a vet he can rely on getting a completion/first down/TD when he needs him to.
100% dead on.
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