Coryellpedia

[frash.exe]

Just thought this was something that should be posted, I've been on and off looking for some in depth information and history on Air Coryell and dug this up. Also I'm looking for some playbook material from this offense to post here that you could use and look for similarities between those formations and the ones Chud is calling when we're playing. But, in the meantime, just this one article can answer a lot of questions for you about the things the Panthers are trying to do. This will explain especially why we got Olsen, and in a traditional AC, how a QB goes through his reads and progressions.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/53221371/Excellent-Article-About-Don-Coryell-and-His-Offensive-Philosophy

Also one thing to note, for people whom have not been fans for very long or just weren't aware of schemes back then, this is the offense Dan Henning used to run, though without emphasis on the TE. Ideally the QB you need to run this stretches the field with his arm and gets the ball out fast, so his deep ball needs to be pretty damn good. I think Cam can be that guy, I don't think Clausen has the kind of arm strength or the temerity to run this offense.

Anybody who has some quality material on this can post them here as well.

[The Saltman]

What I just wonder is with how dynamic this offense is supposed to be and probably is, why doesn't everybody run it?

[frash.exe]

What I just wonder is with how dynamic this offense is supposed to be and probably is, why doesn't everybody run it?

it comes down to what your philosophy is and how good you know how to execute it. Just because Dick LeBeau knows how to minimize yards per play doesn't mean everybody can run the 3-4 defense the way he does.

Some people who are WC offensive coaches think that short passes give you just as much as running the ball more, and some guys, like Andy Reid, know how to run that offense better than anyone can.

[Vampire the buffet slayer]

What I just wonder is with how dynamic this offense is supposed to be and probably is, why doesn't everybody run it?

It is what it is?

[pstall]

no lie. the other night i was digging into the the Veer offense and then went to the West Coast offense and onto Air Coryell and Sid Gilliam.

love digging up stuff like this. sometimes using old stlyes wins today.

Case in point. In the 80's, the Celtics ran a fast break they picked up from Purdue. In the 1930's when John Wooden, yes, THAT John Wooden played there.

[BleedingBlackNBlue]

And then you have guys like Fox who are too stubborn to do anything different than just run the heck out of the ball.

[frash.exe]

One thing I got from that article is that when it comes to Olsen, it's not about him being a safety valve in this offense, that would be an understatement. In a Martz offense (also Air Coryell based) he would be a safety valve, but he'll be a heavily featured part of this offense, and that's why Chud wanted him. He probably saw an opportunity to pick up a critical piece of this offense, and being that we deal with the Bears more than most teams gave us negotiating power

[bleys]

it comes down to what your philosophy is and how good you know how to execute it. Just because Dick LeBeau knows how to minimize yards per gain doesn't mean everybody can run the 3-4 defense the way he does.

Some people who are WC offensive coaches think that short passes give you just as much as running the ball more, and some guys, like Andy Reid, know how to run that offense better than anyone can.

similarly, those who believe in a pass catching TE involved in the offense, and then dumbasses who trade 1 of the best in the game for a 3rd round pick..

[Marguide]

What I just wonder is with how dynamic this offense is supposed to be and probably is, why doesn't everybody run it?

Some people, like John Fox, see teams like the Steelers win consistently, compared to teams like San Diego (1st in offense and defense last year) that sat home in January, and feel ball control and defense is the winning formula. Sometimes it is.

Don C's teams were always exciting, and provided some great football moments through the years. I personally prefer an attacking offense, but it is not hard to argue that other systems have been equally or more successful.

Any formula can experience success or failure depending on execution.

[Ted Stryker]

I remember the early 80s chargers, Fouts had a rocket arm and Winslow was a hell of a TE that opened up alot of stuff fo the WRs I'd love to see something like tha here. They never had a good RB I can think of though.

[frash.exe]

Some people, like John Fox, see teams like the Steelers win consistently, compared to teams like San Diego (1st in offense and defense last year) that sat home in January, and feel ball control and defense is the winning formula. Sometimes it is.

Don C's teams were always exciting, and provided some great football moments through the years. I personally prefer an attacking offense, but it is not hard to argue that other systems have been equally or more successful.

Any formula can experience success or failure depending on execution.

yea. even though we ran AC with Fox here with Henning, it was more of a passing complement to the running game. At least it was built to be. Fox is a guy who will invest his time into building and developing a no.1 running game, which, even today is a good idea, but the problem is, he doesn't really care about the passing game, about developing QBs and looking for a very good 2nd WR that can stretch the defense vertically. He doesn't think of a young QB as an asset, he'd rather just get a vet he can rely on getting a completion/first down/TD when he needs him to.

[weymouthst]

That was a good read. I never knew much about styles of offense, but this one is very interesting. Thanks for the post.

And I agree that Don Coryell belongs in Canton. Hard to believe that he isn't in there already.

[Ted Stryker]

yea. even though we ran AC with Fox here with Henning, it was more of a passing complement to the running game. At least it was built to be. Fox is a guy who will invest his time into building and developing a no.1 running game, which, even today is a good idea, but the problem is, he doesn't really care about the passing game, about developing QBs and looking for a very good 2nd WR that can stretch the defense vertically. He doesn't think of a young QB as an asset, he'd rather just get a vet he can rely on getting a completion/first down/TD when he needs him to.

I always thought Hennings offense here was more the Joe Gibbs version mid 80s

[frash.exe]

I always thought Hennings offense here was more the Joe Gibbs version mid 80s

It was, and since he worked with him back then as an assistant, that's where a lot of our 2 TE formations and former appreciation for college H-back types like Rosario and Barnidge come into play