Torry Holt Asks for his release

[hdevonxz]

It's not the actual number of times Delhomme throws to Smith that makes people say "Delhomme only throws to Smith" it's the times in which he does throw to Smith when he is double and triple covered, those throws show how he often forces the ball to Smith.

[panthers55]

It's not the actual number of times Delhomme throws to Smith that makes people say "Delhomme only throws to Smith" it's the times in which he does throw to Smith when he is double and triple covered, those throws show how he often forces the ball to Smith.

Since most of the time Smiitty draws two defenders to say Jake throws into double coverage is stupid as well. Of course he does, how else would he get it to him? But to say he does it most of the time is ridiculous. First of all he throws to other guys 2/3rds of the time and many of the routes to Smitty are designed to hit him in between the corner and safety who is giving help over the top.

But he doesn't throw into triple coverage and doesn't forces the ball more than alot of other quarterbacks. Sure he has some really bad games but that is how he plays. Most of his interceptions are against a few teams.

If you look at all of his interceptions through the season. Tampa, Oakland, and Arizona accounted for the overwhelming majority of them. He also had 10 games without an interception. As has been said before, his bad games may be due to his injuries in the past few years and lingering effects of the surgery this past year.

His trend has been to actually thow less interceptions as a ratio to TDs in the past few years, not the other way around.

I am not trying to defend him as much as paint a more accurate picture of what actually is happening. I get tired of assertions based on no fact or logic.

I hope that with a new quarterback coach and more time after the surgery, that Jake will have a good year in 2009. There is just as much reason to expect a good year as a bad one.

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Oh, my bad. Hackett got the ball 13 times and Jarrett 10.

He definitely throws to receivers not named Moose and Smith; I was way off.

[panthers55]

Oh, my bad. Hackett got the ball 13 times and Jarrett 10.

He definitely throws to receivers not named Moose and Smith; I was way off.

He does throw to other guys 40% of the time. Of course he throws to Moose and Smith 60% of the time. That is why they are the number 1 and number 2 receiver. Most plays are designed to go to your primary receivers.

And yes most of you guys are way off. You rely on speculation and opinion rather than facts and stats.

[Fox007]

Did you actually look at the numbers before you made your statement.

Jake completed 246 passes in the regular season in 2008-

78 to Smith -----------------32%

65 to Moose -----------------26%

39 to running backs ----------16%

39 to tight ends--------------16%

25 to other receivers----------10%

These ridiculous statements like "He only throws ro Smith" are perpetuated by folks like you who don't actually do any research.

Facts-

He found Moose almost as often as Smith.

He threw to his tight ends and backs as often as he did Smith.

Smith accounted for less than 1/3 of Jake's completions.

Yea that's almost good, except that is only the actual completions.

How about actual attempts total to who, which is what everyone is saying.

No one said Smith has 55% of Jakes completions, they said he forces it to him that many times.(made up yes)(there is a such stat as incomplete pass)

The point of the matter is, tons of his incompletions are being forced to Smith where someone else was actually open on the play.

I don't care to look up who his incomplete passes went too, but try watching the games minus the Jake homerism, and all will be clear.

[God]

Did you actually look at the numbers before you made your statement.

Jake completed 246 passes in the regular season in 2008-

78 to Smith -----------------32%

65 to Moose -----------------26%

39 to running backs ----------16%

39 to tight ends--------------16%

25 to other receivers----------10%

These ridiculous statements like "He only throws ro Smith" are perpetuated by folks like you who don't actually do any research.

Facts-

He found Moose almost as often as Smith.

He threw to his tight ends and backs as often as he did Smith.

Smith accounted for less than 1/3 of Jake's completions.

Thrown to, not receptions you moron.

[panthers55]

Yea that's almost good, except that is only the actual completions.

How about actual attempts total to who, which is what everyone is saying.

No one said Smith has 55% of Jakes completions, they said he forces it to him that many times.(made up yes)(there is a such stat as incomplete pass)

The point of the matter is, tons of his incompletions are being forced to Smith where someone else was actually open on the play.

I don't care to look up who his incomplete passes went too, but try watching the games minus the Jake homerism, and all will be clear.

Thrown to: 126 targets out of 414 attempts which is 30%. Which further proves my point. Fully 70% of Jake's attempts went to other folks.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5521&team=29

Maybe it isn't homerism but facts. Try is sometime. I am surely clear but obviously you still have fuzzy logic. It is these ignorant statements when you admit that you are too lazy to look up the facts that I have a problem with. If you did some research maybe you wouldn't continue to look so clueless.

Thrown to, not receptions you moron.

It doesn't matter whether you use completions or attempts because the percentages are pretty much the same. So he was actually thrown to 126 times ( only 30% of all passes based on 414 attempts) and caught 60% of them with almost half going for first downs. That is why we throw to him.

How about using some facts and logic before namecalling so you don't look like a moron yourself.

Obviously you aren't God because you sure aren't all knowing.

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That is why they are the number 1 and number 2 receiver. Most plays are designed to go to your primary receivers.

So, like I said, Jake would never throw to Holt.

It's not complicated.

[panthers55]

So, like I said, Jake would never throw to Holt.

It's not complicated.

Depends on whether he becomes our number 2. Moose got it 65 times. Personally I believe that if Hackett had not been injured and if Jarrett had developed faster Jake would have thrown to them. Anyone who has played football knows that the quarterback throws it to guys he has faith in. Look at Proehl a few years back. He was a great 3rd receiver.

Have we had a legitimate 3rd receiver in the last few years? If Holt came here and produced I am sure Jake would throw the ball to him on 3rd down especially.

[rippadonn]

Hometown hookup is the only way.

[scpanther22]

if the eagles dont make a move for holt they are stupid

[hdevonxz]

Since most of the time Smiitty draws two defenders to say Jake throws into double coverage is stupid as well.

How is it stupid? It's true.

Of course he does, how else would he get it to him?

In space, when Smith beats his man and coverage.

But to say he does it most of the time is ridiculous.

I wouldn't say most of the time, but Jake sure as hell does throw at bad times and makes bad decisions with the ball. My entire point was that people exaggerate on the force throws that Jake makes, which is 100% unarguable.

[panthers55]

I wouldn't say most of the time, but Jake sure as hell does throw at bad times and makes bad decisions with the ball. My entire point was that people exaggerate on the force throws that Jake makes, which is 100% unarguable.[/quote]

If you are saying that people on here exaggerate the number of times that Jake forces the ball or makes a bad decision, then I agree with you completely.

[jramsey4]

What I want to know is how many of those Interceptions of Jake's where intended for Smith? I can't fault the guy for trying to get it to his best receiver, that's just good sense, what I can fault a guy is throwing it when he shouldn't. And when someone says that a guy is double covered it doesn't mean that all he has is two guys assigned to him (which he should) I think of it as when those players both are in good position to make a play on the ball.