Thank Goodness We Kept DWill

[Guest Spot On Dtan]

Coming from a Falcons fan that has an injury prone RB without a capable backup, and just traded their future drafts away for one player.

Turner injury prone?

He missed 3 games in '09.

'Cause you guys targeted his ankle.

And Snelling isn't a capable backup?

Dude had 167 yards against TB filling in.

And he was team's #3 receiver last year.

Trust me.

Atlanta's problems come not from their weapons,

But from their QB.

[TheSaint]

I love Williams and I'm glad he is still here along with Smith, because I really like watching these guys play. Hell that's the main reason I go to games, is t watch these two guys.

That being said, I thought they paid way too much to keep Williams. He was hurt last year, and we know about the wall that ALL RBs hit eventually and he Isnt too far from that point. He will not be playing at this level, if at all, in five years. Hope im wrong, but I'm betting I wont be.

You can't make emotional decisions when it comes to players.

[bleys]

I guess this is where we can agree to disagree. Most here say we have a stable of 4 backs, but I disagree. We have a stable of 2 backs and the potential for a stable of 4. Goodson and Sutton haven't proven themselves. Goodson for the reasons already discussed and Sutton just hasn't had enough playing time.

my point was if DWill continues to miss games during the season and Goodson fixes his fumbling issue, there is without a doubt (in my mind) that we should have went for a CB..

otherwise, I agree with you.. what I don't agree with are those trying to tell people Goodson hasn't proven he can move the chains and be a playmaker..

[TheSaint]

my point was if DWill continues to miss games during the season and Goodson fixes his fumbling issue, there is without a doubt (in my mind) that we should have went for a corner

well of course, hindsight is 20/20.

They obviously think 34 is ok and will be for a while. I wouldn't have put $21mil on that bet though. I'd have gotten my corner.

[jtm]

my point was if DWill continues to miss games during the season and Goodson fixes his fumbling issue, there is without a doubt (in my mind) that we should have went for a CB..

otherwise, I agree with you.. what I don't agree with are those trying to tell people Goodson hasn't proven he can move the chains and be a playmaker..

I don't think there is any doubt that Goodson is a big time playmaker. He makes plays that arguably that DW and Stew wouldn't even make. However, if he continues to fumble he will be playing arena league next year.

[jtm]

well of course, hindsight is 20/20.

They obviously think 34 is ok and will be for a while. I wouldn't have put $21mil on that bet though. I'd have gotten my corner.

Rivera was able to have top defenses with no name players. Based on the fact that our offense was horrific last year coupled with a rookie QB, I think they made a good decision. If we are able to get pressure this year, our cornerbacks will be fine. If not, they will get eaten alive. A good pass rush is a corners best friend.

[bleys]

well of course, hindsight is 20/20.

They obviously think 34 is ok and will be for a while. I wouldn't have put $21mil on that bet though. I'd have gotten my corner.

of course hindsight is 20/20.. that's what this entire thread is based on..

I would have still erred in favor of a CB..

I don't think there is any doubt that Goodson is a big time playmaker. He makes plays that arguably that DW and Stew wouldn't even make. However, if he continues to fumble he will be playing arena league next year.

agreed.. I feel optimistic he'll get it together with coaches willing to coach and know how.. we'll see though..

[scpanther22]

Well while Clausen was on an extended trip to europe, Armanti was doing everything he could to get better. Even had Muhammad help him with routes. Its no surprise that Armanti looks better and Jimmy doesnt. Its all based on a desire to improve and do what it takes. I just dont see that self motivation from Jimmy.

You really think Jimmy looked the same as he did last year? I think he has improved

[ncmonzta]

I need somebody to sticky this post:

D-Will is not injury prone. He had a sprained foot last year. It was a lame duck season and there was no point of him trying to play through a injury. How many players get put on IR that early in the season for a sprained foot? Usually guys come back in a few weeks after a sprain. Does anybody remember when Delhomme "hurt" his finger and was put on IR? Just because you get put on IR doesn't always mean you can't come back. Sometimes it's used for preventive measures, which was D-Will's case. He got hurt on a lame duck season and we had Stewart and two "capable backups".

Now, did you guys see the way he squeezed through the defenders at the line of scrimmage Saturday? He does that on a regular basis. That's not your average dime-a-dozen back type poo. Why complain because we have two first round running backs? I think every team would love to have that luxury.

The way Stewart plays is very physical. Even if he's not injury prone, it would be very risky for him to be used a primary runner getting 20+ carries a game for the whole season. I don't think splitting carries with Goodson is a good idea being that he fumbles once every five touches. Sutton is reliable, but he doesn't have the big play ability that D-Will has. D-Will is special. He hasn't lost a step and, as you can see, he's still a threat for big gains every time he touches the ball.

Get your muthafugin popcorn ready!!!!!

[bleys]

none of that is in question..

what is in question with all things considered, would a guy like Jonathan Joseph been more important to our team than DWill...

however, since the offseason is over with the start of preseason, none of this is relevant..

[neverlosethefeeling]

none of that is in question..

what is in question with all things considered, would a guy like Jonathan Joseph been more important to our team than DWill...

however, since the offseason is over with the start of preseason, none of this is relevant..

This question really will only be answered in hindsight. And moreover, who says that Jonathan Joseph would have even wanted to come here? After Smitty revealed we went after two big receivers, we realize that we can't always get everyone we want. You can't always just throw money at a problem to fix it, if he wouldn't have wanted to play here, he wouldn't have been here.

If Stewart stays healthy and Goodson learns not to fumble, it's really a tossup depending on how Munnerly and Gamble do. If Stewart gets hurt and Goodson is coughing the ball up 3 times a game, give me DeAngelo Williams' ball security and explosiveness to help Cam any day of the week and twice on Sunday over another corner.

[ncmonzta]

none of that is in question..

what is in question with all things considered, would a guy like Jonathan Joseph been more important to our team than DWill...

however, since the offseason is over with the start of preseason, none of this is relevant..

I'll take help on offense instead of defense considering the circumstances. Joseph is good but he's no top shutdown corner like revis or nhamdi. Would you rather have yards and points or deflections and ints?

[bleys]

I'll take help on offense instead of defense considering the circumstances. Joseph is good but he's no top shutdown corner like revis or nhamdi. Would you rather have yards and points or deflections and ints?

actually, JJ is.. so that would change your opinion if you weren't aware of that.. I may look up the stat, but I read somewhere that he was right up there with those guys.. came out after he signed with Houston.

I would take offense because I appreciate an attacking/aggressive offense, unlike anything close to what we've seen in the last decade..

however, when you have a stable of backs, a gigantic hole at corner isn't great if you are putting them on an island most of the time when blitzing, I want a really good corner out there with Gamble..

granted we are playing more zone blitzes, but the guy still has to handle his zone, which often becomes 1on1...

which brings me to this point below..

This question really will only be answered in hindsight. And moreover, who says that Jonathan Joseph would have even wanted to come here? After Smitty revealed we went after two big receivers, we realize that we can't always get everyone we want. You can't always just throw money at a problem to fix it, if he wouldn't have wanted to play here, he wouldn't have been here.

If Stewart stays healthy and Goodson learns not to fumble, it's really a tossup depending on how Munnerly and Gamble do. If Stewart gets hurt and Goodson is coughing the ball up 3 times a game, give me DeAngelo Williams' ball security and explosiveness to help Cam any day of the week and twice on Sunday over another corner.

of course it's all hindsight... no one in this thread could argue anything else.. so we agree on that.

I thought the DT position was of dire need a few weeks ago, and now it seems we are good there. one thing that concerns me is we don't have a legit #2 out there with all the blitzing we will be doing. Munnerlyn will get raped by any decent receiver over 6'2..

everyone knows you can't throw money at a quick fix.. but all you just told me was you'd rather quick fix the RB position than the CB position.. (because fact is, that's where we spent that money)

if Goodson drops the ball 3 times this year and 1 next (proving he can cover up the ball)... then we should be looking to trade DWill before he loses his value. doesn't mean he has to be traded next year, but before he's 30-31 and on the downside of his career..

[neverlosethefeeling]

actually, JJ is.. so that would change your opinion if you weren't aware of that.. I may look up the stat, but I read somewhere that he was right up there with those guys.. came out after he signed with Houston.

I would take offense because I appreciate an attacking/aggressive offense, unlike anything close to what we've seen in the last decade..

however, when you have a stable of backs, a gigantic hole at corner isn't great if you are putting them on an island most of the time when blitzing, I want a really good corner out there with Gamble..

granted we are playing more zone blitzes, but the guy still has to handle his zone, which often becomes 1on1...

which brings me to this point below..

of course it's all hindsight... no one in this thread could argue anything else.. so we agree on that.

I thought the DT position was of dire need a few weeks ago, and now it seems we are good there. one thing that concerns me is we don't have a legit #2 out there with all the blitzing we will be doing. Munnerlyn will get raped by any decent receiver over 6'2..

everyone knows you can't throw money at a quick fix.. but all you just told me was you'd rather quick fix the RB position than the CB position.. (because fact is, that's where we spent that money)

if Goodson drops the ball 3 times this year and 1 next (proving he can cover up the ball)... then we should be looking to trade DWill before he loses his value. doesn't mean he has to be traded next year, but before he's 30-31 and on the downside of his career..

You're right to a degree. I wouldn't say the RB position is a quick fix, because those are guys that we've had for a while, so it's a bit different than bringing in someone new and hoping that he helps you out and fits into what you're trying to do. But you're right that I think the potential value of proven RBs outweighs the potential value added with proven CBs on this team. And I say that only in terms of team development, and more specifically the development of our young quarterbacks.

I know Captain is small, but with 89 on our team I'm reluctant to say that Captain won't be able to do something just because he's short. That's what people said about Steve Smith. And no, I'm not saying Munnerlyn=Smith.