Jimmy Clausen

[blackcatgrowl]

Cam looks much more poised and Jimmy still looked really anxious in the pocket.

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[mav1234]

the plan was always to give each of the young QBs one game to start...but I think Jimmy played very well... I did not get the sense he was "too anxious" in the pocket, not like last year anyway. But I was watching the game at low res, so maybe I couldn't see it so easily :P

[House]

What everyone needs to realize is that it is not only is it in the best interest of Jimmy that he does well and matures as a QB, but in the best interest in Cam and the Panthers also.

I understand that Cam nut huggers want to see him play. Thats cool, I get it, I'm not a Cam nut hugger and I am excited about his potential and want to see him on the field.

However, Cam threw 296 passes in D1 football. He has a ton of potential, but I guarantee you that if he starts, by week 6, NFL DC's will have him figured out and make his life hell. He needs to sit for awhile and learn how to read defenses and run his progressions.

If Jimmy can progress and make it through most, if not all of the year, it buys Cam time to learn and it makes JC a valuable commodity.

I want Cam to be a GOAT. In his best interest, to get to that place, he needs to sit and soak up all the information he can.

[rico6]

Rivera, Chud, and Shula have seen their fair share of 'good' QBs. If he's deemed good enough to start, he'll start.

Although, I'm quite sure Jimmy will give him a good fight.

[ncbobcat]

I was at the game. You didn't se that pick six? You didn't see him hold the ball too long? You didn't see him hold the ball too long and hit the usual checkdown? You didn't see him try to scramble for the first on third down slow as hell and slide like 3 yards short? The throw away was a good decision. The td was a good pass and the first pass of the game was good. That was it. What game were you watching is the question. I only had one beer and was sober maybe that's the problem.

I said he held on too long a few times. Yes, I saw the TD and INT, that's not what I was talking about. Yes he tried to scamble, so did Cam...he checked down, so did Cam, Jimmy was sacked twice, so was Cam. Cam held on to the ball for the few plays down field, as did Jimmy. As far the nerves, how could you see that in the stadium when everybody watching it on TV thought he look poised...10x moreso than last season.

So outside of the pick-six, you dismiss Jimmy's play which was essentially the same as Cam's? So did Jimmy really play that badly or are your glasses for Cam only?

[rico6]

I said he held on too long a few times. Yes, I saw the TD and INT, that's not what I was talking about. Yes he tried to scamble, so did Cam...he checked down, so did Cam, Jimmy was sacked twice, so was Cam. Cam held on to the ball for the few plays down field, as did Jimmy. As far the nerves, how could you see that in the stadium when everybody watching it on TV thought he look poised...10x moreso than last season.

So outside of the pick-six, you dismiss Jimmy's play which was essentially the same as Cam's? So did Jimmy really play that badly or are your glasses for Cam only?

Rewatching the game right now, and imho Cam outplayed Jimmy tonight. Not in the sense that "OMFG JIMMEH TEH SUKZ YO" but in the way that Cam looked more impressive, and just has something Jimmy doesn't.

Oh yes, and Jimmy's sacks were the direct cause of him holding unto the ball, and lacking pocket awareness.

Cam's on the other hand were a direct cause of the crap O-line, and the center trying to snap the ball to the sidelines.

Not even comparable.

Don't get me wrong, both QB's looked solid, but no way in hell does Jimmy have any leverage in this battle as some are trying to say.

At most they're dead even.

[Ivan The Awesome]

I've always had faith in Jimmer, but that INT could have been avoided. He had a little more pocket presence. More awareness than last year. That TD to Olsen was more Olsen than Jimmy though. I'll have to admit that. Good showing by him.

[ncbobcat]

Rewatching the game right now, and imho Cam outplayed Jimmy tonight. Not in the sense that "OMFG JIMMEH TEH SUKZ YO" but in the way that Cam looked more impressive, and just has something Jimmy doesn't.

Oh yes, and Jimmy's sacks were the direct cause of him holding unto the ball, and lacking pocket awareness.

Cam's on the other hand were a direct cause of the crap O-line, and the center trying to snap the ball to the sideline.

Not even comparable.

Really? And the pick-six wasn't Gross letting the end bee line for Jimmy who threw it to the fire route before Williams could locate the ball? Granted the play was a disater waiting to happen, but without the player in Jimmy's face the throw isn't an INT.

Take away the pick-six and Jimmy outplayed Cam (still give him a slight edge anyway). Cam may had a crap O-line, but that was backups that he couldn't score aginst either.

[House]

Rewatching the game right now, and imho Cam outplayed Jimmy tonight. Not in the sense that "OMFG JIMMEH TEH SUKZ YO" but in the way that Cam looked more impressive, and just has something Jimmy doesn't.

Oh yes, and Jimmy's sacks were the direct cause of him holding unto the ball, and lacking pocket awareness.Cam's on the other hand were a direct cause of the crap O-line, and the center trying to snap the ball to the sidelines.

Not even comparable.

Don't get me wrong, both QB's looked solid, but no way in hell does Jimmy have any leverage in this battle as some are trying to say.

At most they're dead even.

Really?

Because when I watched the tape the second time, I saw some shitty OL play in pass pro when JC got sacked, including the INT. Granted the second sack, JC should have stepped up but I don't know that many QB's would have stepped up there. Let me explain.

On the INT, Kalil and Bernadeau got tangled up together, allowing the D a gapping hole to run through. A lot of that was on Bern for never deciding on who he was going to "help".

The first sack was attributable to some exceptionally shitty pass blocking by Gross and Wharton. Gross followed his block on Paul all the way inside, this was not so bad but some what ill advised. Wouldn't have been a real problem because Wharton took outside contain, but then Wharton decided that, for him at least, the play was over. Leaving the outside lane wide open. So as JC was moving to his left to extend the play, the LT was standing inside of the C and the LG was chillin' with some DB's.

The second sack, that one was a bit on JC. However, Gross did allow Paul to run ALL THE WAY AROUND him. This was some crappy blocking but wouldnt' have been a problem if JC would have stepped up. Which on review he could have. However,also on review, he would have had to of stepped up in perfect time because Bern was pushing a DT through the pocket while JC should have stepped up. Great pocket awareness, no. Piss poor QBing, not so much.

[rico6]

Really? And the pick-six wasn't Gross letting the end bee line for Jimmy who threw it to the fire route before Williams could locate the ball? Granted the play was a disater waiting to happen, but without the player in Jimmy's face the throw isn't an INT.

Relax buckeroo, I didn't even bring that up.

:cam:

Take away the pick-six and Jimmy outplayed Cam (still give him a silght edge anyway).

No he didn't, however, that is your entitled opinion. No matter how wrong you may be.

Cam may had a crap O-line, but that was backups that he couldn't score aginst either.

Given the fact that he had around 4 dropped passes (2 of them in the endzone) that's not as daunting a statement as it might be. Cam's scoring drive was just as impressive (if not more so) than Jimmy's. Jimmy had the benefit of a screen, and a circus catch by Olsen to help.

Huggers will be huggers.

No need for insults, kiddo.

[Davidson Deac II]

Two things about Jimmy impressed me tonight. One, he didn't let the pick 6 get him down, and after that, he was the best Qb on the field tonight. Two, he played the entire first quarter in the rain, and did a pretty good job, both at holding on to it and throwing good balls.

Cam looked good in spurts tonight, especially on his first drive. His accuracy was pretty good, but his decisions were very questionable in a couple of spots. His first deep throw was a really good pass, but his throw to the endzone would have been an interception had it been a foot higher. Basically he looked like a talented rookie.

Barnidge and Olsen looked really good tonight.

[Proudiddy]

Really? And the pick-six wasn't Gross letting the end bee line for Jimmy who threw it to the fire route before Williams could locate the ball? Granted the play was a disater waiting to happen, but without the player in Jimmy's face the throw isn't an INT.

Take away the pick-six and Jimmy outplayed Cam (still give him a slight edge anyway). Cam may had a crap O-line, but that was backups that he couldn't score aginst either.

Jimmy did well tonight. He did hold on to the ball a bit long, but he waits for the plays to develop....he's not a read and run QB. The INT was three-fold, D-Will didn't turn to look for the ball, Jimmy held it and had a defender partially hanging on him and mis-fired when he did let it fly.

According to your own account of the play, it was 67% Jimmy's fault.

Bottom line is, he shouldn't have thrown it. The OT let a defender run untouched to Cam on a naked bootleg and you didn't see him panic and throw it up for grabs.

Jimmy still does it way too often. Jimmy had how many drives with the starters? In all those drives he came out with 0 points when you give him the TD and take away the 6 he gave away as well. Cam had 1 with the starters and got a FG (which should've been a TD if LaFell could catch and used his body to shield, twice I might add).

Jimmy did much better than last season in total, but several times he still looked like Jimmy from last year. Until he stops making throws he shouldn't that cost us points, taking sacks he shouldn't, chopping his feet and then throwing up lobs to get guys killed, he will be outperformed by other QBs on the roster.

Not trashing him, because overall he did good, but Jimmy did not appear to outplay Cam. Glad he did better, but he's got to get where his mistakes aren't so glaring. Cam had some off throws, but he didn't cost us points or put guys in a position to get injured.

[rico6]

Really?

Because when I watched the tape the second time, I saw some pooty OL play in pass pro when JC got sacked, including the INT. Granted the second sack, JC should have stepped up but I don't know that many QB's would have stepped up there. Let me explain.

On the INT, Kalil and Bernadeau got tangled up together, allowing the D a gapping hole to run through. A lot of that was on Bern for never deciding on who he was going to "help".

The first sack was attributable to some exceptionally pooty pass blocking by Gross and Wharton. Gross followed his block on Paul all the way inside, this was not so bad but some what ill advised. Wouldn't have been a real problem because Wharton took outside contain, but then Wharton decided that, for him at least, the play was over. Leaving the outside lane wide open. So as JC was moving to his left to extend the play, the LT was standing inside of the C and the LG was chillin' with some DB's.

The second sack, that one was a bit on JC. However, Gross did allow Paul to run ALL THE WAY AROUND him. This was some crappy blocking but wouldnt' have been a problem if JC would have stepped up. Which on review he could have. However,also on review, he would have had to of stepped up in perfect time because Bern was pushing a DT through the pocket while JC should have stepped up. Great pocket awareness, no. Piss poor QBing, not so much.

Correction, first sack was a solid combination of poor pocket awareness, and shi*ty O-line play.

Also, let's not get my main point mistaken. Both QB's looked solid, however, there are no clear cut winners in this QB battle, and Cam just brings more to the table.

[antame]

I'm glad Jimmy threw a touchdown pass. But to watch him play, he still doesn't look like he belongs on an NFL football field. And worse, it doesn't look like HE believes he belongs when he's out there. I don't want the guy to fail, I really don't, but I'm sorry, it's just not going to happen for him.

I realize this post is purely subjective, and maybe I'm just a hater, so feel free to excoriate me for it.