Newton's personality reminds me of.............

[Mr. Scot]

Performed Wel... Hmm...Okay... so this is Manning, someone you said played well in a championship game....

Now I give you Mcnabb last 2 NFC Championship games, which I feel he played well in both... lost the last one cause the defense could not tackle.

Mcnabb 28/47, 375 YDS, 3 TD, 1 INT in 32-25 lost to Arizona in 08

Mcnabb 17-of-26 for 180 yards and 2 TDs in 27-10 win over Atlanta... keeping in mind that was in horrible out door conditions.

Don't see much difference.

Stats don't tell the whole story. Again, see the above post.

His last playoff performance ended with four awful passes when they needed a game winning drive.

Does McNabb have anything that measures up to this: 2006 AFC Championship

[theyhateme45]

Stats don't tell the whole story. Again, see the above post.

His last playoff performance ended with four awful passes when they needed a game winning drive.

LOL.... I quit!!! You are the TRUE essence of hypocrisy and I will no longer waste my time debating with you... you are so much so it isn;t even fun.

Manning: You concentrate only on the good things he did, but by pass the bad ints ect. And throw in blame to refs or whomever else

Mcnabb: You bypass all the good he did, and concentrate on 4 passes near the end when he all ready brought his team back and had to go for it at the end. Not to mention Mcnabbs drive in 04 that sealed the deal.

That right there is making things fit to what you want them too!

[CRA]

I'm guessing you didn't watch the 2006 AFC Championship if you don't consider that a great performance.

Manning threw a pick at the end of the first half that put the Pats up 21-3, but in the second half he carved the Pats defense up and had them for breakfast. The final score was 38-34, and the Colts took the lead on a long drive at the end.

Watch the highlights here if you don't remember: NFL Videos

Those 2006 games are the ones that stand out the most. The game you mentioned was good, and I actually thought he was pretty good in the Super Bowl too, but that last pick in the Super Bowl was a bad one. I'd add that I thought his performance in the 2003 AFC Championship was pretty good, but the Pats got away with mauling a receiver on the final drive.

Again, I'm not strictly judging by stats or wins. I watched the games, and my opinion is based on what I saw.

I watched his entire run in 2006.....Peyton was not great. Good in moments.....but overall he was nowhere close being great during that run. You know what Manning was during that run? Big Ben......

[Mr. Scot]

I watched his entire run in 2006.....Peyton was not great. Good in moments.....but overall he was nowhere close being great during that run. You know what Manning was during that run? Big Ben......

Again, we disagree, but it's all opinion anyway.

LOL.... I quit!!! You are the TRUE essence of hypocrisy and I will no longer waste my time debating with you... you are so much so it isn;t even fun.

Manning: You concentrate only on the good things he did, but by pass the bad ints ect. And throw in blame to refs or whomever else

Mcnabb: You bypass all the good he did, and concentrate on 4 passes near the end when he all ready brought his team back and had to go for it at the end. Not to mention Mcnabbs drive in 04 that sealed the deal.

That right there is making things fit to what you want them too!

Refs? Seriously? Where on earth did I mention refs? Are you even reading these posts? :sosp:

The reality is most people's judgments of quarterbacks don't extend beyond the highlights they see on Sportscenter or the stats they see on NFL.com. That's why I piss people off when I tell them I think the quarterback they believe is so great really isn't.

And no, it's not about rings. Steve McNair was a great quarterback in my mind even though his lone Super Bowl performance was a losing effort. Ben Roethlisberger had two rings, but I don't put him in the "great" category either because I don't believe his performance justifies it.

Like I said more than once before, if McNabb proves it with a great performance in a championship game, I'll happily bump him up in my estimation. But to date I haven't seen one, and don't believe I will.

For now, he's a good West Coast quarterback who's tended to choke in big games and hasn't shown he can succeed outside of a West Coast offense. That's pretty much it. That essentially makes him Matt Hasselbeck on a better team, not someone who's up there with Peyton Manning.

[CRA]

end of the day.

Manning is great and a lock HOFer regardless.

McNabb will always be on the cusps of that....but I think he is much better than he has been given credit for and taken more crap than deserved. Most QBs with his success have only seen a fraction of the backlash he has over the course of his career.

[Mr. Scot]

end of the day.

Manning is great and a lock HOFer regardless.

McNabb will always be on the cusps of that....but I think he is much better than he has been given credit for and taken more crap than deserved. Most QBs with his success have only seen a fraction of the backlash he has over the course of his career.

In fairness, I think you'd have to agree he's brought some of it on himself.

The initial booing at the draft and such was stupid, and Eagle fans are Eagle fans, but McNabb's not entirely innocent either.

[CRA]

In fairness, I think you'd have to agree he's brought some of it on himself.

The initial booing at the draft and such was stupid, and Eagle fans are Eagle fans, but McNabb's not entirely innocent either.

Some yes, but most of that was later on IMO. At a certain point you have to get some of his frustration......only human.

[theyhateme45]

Again, we disagree, but it's all opinion anyway.

Refs? Seriously? Where on earth did I mention refs? Are you even reading these posts? :sosp:

Getting away with... infers the ref's did not call something they should have...

... I'd add that I thought his performance in the 2003 AFC Championship was pretty good, but the Pats got away with mauling a receiver on the final drive.Again, I'm not strictly judging by stats or wins. I watched the games, and my opinion is based on what I saw.

The reality is most people's judgments of quarterbacks don't extend beyond the highlights they see on Sportscenter or the stats they see on NFL.com. That's why I piss people off when I tell them I think the quarterback they believe is so great really isn't.

And no, it's not about rings. Steve McNair was a great quarterback in my mind even though his lone Super Bowl performance was a losing effort. Ben Roethlisberger had two rings, but I don't put him in the "great" category either because I don't believe his performance justifies it.

Like I said more than once before, if McNabb proves it with a great performance in a championship game, I'll happily bump him up in my estimation. But to date I haven't seen one, and don't believe I will.

For now, he's a good West Coast quarterback who's tended to choke in big games and hasn't shown he can succeed outside of a West Coast offense. That's pretty much it. That essentially makes him Matt Hasselbeck on a better team, not someone who's up there with Peyton Manning.

As I said I watch games, and form my own opinions as I don't need anyone to tell me what to think. I;m honest about the guys I like and dislike, but stay objective and don't show bias.

I feel you, like others have players they don't care for, for whatever reason, and therefore you focus on the negatives and naturally skew your opinions of said player. To say that Mcnabbs performance in the championship game in 08 and 04 were not times when he "Performed well" but to say Peyton was show's that bias right there.

As much as I hate the Falcons, I give them and Ryan props when it's deserved, same for Brady and other players I'm not really a fan of... You seem to have the inability to do the same.

I personally think Peyton is one of the greatest ever, so I would not put Mcnabb in that class. But for me I did not need a average superbowl performance to convince me of that. I knew just from watching the guy play he was great. That superbowl performance didn;t change how great of a player he is.... It just showed that even great QB's needs a lot of help to win a championship.... on top of some good luck and fortune.

[CRA]

also, if Cam comes close to being the caliber QB McNabb was......we will be very lucky.

Hopefully, we have the other pieces at that point that will be needed.

[Mr. Scot]

Getting away with... infers the ref's did not call something they should have...

As I said I watch games, and form my own opinions as I don't need anyone to tell me what to think. I;m honest about the guys I like and dislike, but stay objective and don't show bias.

I feel you, like others have players they don't care for, for whatever reason, and therefore you focus on the negatives and naturally skew your opinions of said player. To say that Mcnabbs performance in the championship game in 08 and 04 were not times when he "Performed well" but to say Peyton was show's that bias right there.

As much as I hate the Falcons, I give them and Ryan props when it's deserved, same for Brady and other players I'm not really a fan of... You seem to have the inability to do the same.

I personally think Peyton is one of the greatest ever, so I would not put Mcnabb in that class. But for me I did not need a average superbowl performance to convince me of that. I knew just from watching the guy play he was great. That superbowl performance didn;t change how great of a player he is.... It just showed that even great QB's needs a lot of help to win a championship.... on top of some good luck and fortune.

It's called an opinion :sosp:

Mine is different from yours. That doesn't mean it's bias, personal feelings or anything else, just a difference in thinking.

My criteria for judging what makes a quarterback great are different than yours.

My opinion of whether or not certain performances are great or not is also different.

No feelings required on either end.

Again, I can accept that without resorting to getting personal. Not sure why you can't.

(sheesh) :nonod:

[Mr. Scot]

also, if Cam comes close to being the caliber QB McNabb was......we will be very lucky.

Hopefully, we have the other pieces at that point that will be needed.

Sorry. I want better than that.

[theyhateme45]

It's called an opinion :sosp:

Mine is different from yours. That doesn't mean it's bias, personal feelings or anything else, just a difference in thinking.

My criteria for judging what makes a quarterback great are different than yours.

My opinion of whether or not certain performances are great or not is also different.

No feelings required on either end.

Again, I can accept that without resorting to getting personal. Not sure why you can't.

(sheesh) :nonod:

I'm not talking about opinions... I'm talking about biasness, and hypocrisy that I have pointed out countless times.

Yes it is your right to be bias or hypocritical; I'm just calling you out on it.

It's not just you, it's a lot of people on this board who opinions are bias based off of who they like and don;t like. My point is don't be fake and try to act like you reasoning is for anything other than biasness.

Example.... people will call The buccs over rated and trash, look past their defense... But if we were being honest, and drafted those defensive line players the past few years in Carolina we'll be on the board talking about how our line is one of the best young D-Lines in the league. Blah blah... but because it's TB, they are injury ridden, will be over rated.. blah blah.

Which it's fine to be bias, just don't try to act like it's anything other than that, then try an convince someone that.

Mcnabb, people don;t like for various reasons, so you and others have a bias towards him, and judge him differently, harder than other QB's. Which is fine... but don't act like it;s based off of honest non-bias assessments. Because for every reasoning you gave, I pointed out your bias.

[CRA]

Sorry. I want better than that.

Not saying I don't.....

but if you are playing QB odds.....we would be lucky to get that caliber of QB. But again, I think more of McNabb than you. (career wise)... Better coaching or a few roster moves....and he easily could have rings.

[Highlandfire]

I've been saying this in about every thread about him. Just hope he doesn't start up with McNabbs blame games.

Yeah I would rather he NOT be like McNabb