Newton's personality reminds me of.............

[HoFBound90]

I am saying that Andy Reid can make any QB look great. Just like he did with McNabb, Kolb, Feeley, and now Vick.

I guess it's just coincidence that they all look great in Eagles uniforms, then stink it up when in another one.

Vick stunk in Atlanta, McNabb stunk in Washington, I am predicting that Kolb will stink in Arizona.

They all looked good in Philly though....wonder why?

Vick stunk accuracy wise in Atlanta and that was about it. Mcnabb is much older when he was in Wash compared to philly.

I agree, Reid is a great qb coach but he is not a god that magically takes talentless people and turns them into top tier qbs.

[HsvPantherFan]

I said when he was drafted he reminded me of Magic Johnson. I still think that.

I agree.

[Claws]

kinda reminds me of jamarcus russell.

[Mr. Scot]

How many times has Mcnabb taken his team from back to back playoffs?

And then choked in them.

Consider that Reid has inserted other QBs (Garcia, Detmer, Feeley, Vick) and the Eagles haven't missed a beat. On the flipside, when McNabb went to a new system, he struggled (same as other guys who have flown the coop from Philly). Heck, Shanahan wound up benching him and questioning his work ethic. Romanowski went the extra step of calling him "lazy" recently.

McNabb's not high on my list of guys I'd want Newton to emulate.

(neither is Derek Anderson honestly, but whaddaya gonna do)

[HoFBound90]

And then choked in them.

As a fan of a team, I would take the great season, great qb numbers, and deep playoff runs, with a superbowl appearnce, Playoffs appearances year in and year out compared to the seasons of the other 31 teams.

I don't get this, only 1 teamwins the SB every year, so you could say about any QB that didn't win it they they "choked".

He has a career playoff w-l of 9-7. 4 NFC chamiponship appearences. 1 SB appearence. A career playoff QB rating of 79 (great no, but not the worst and was really killed by 1 bad year. http://www.donovanmcnabb.com/ssp/career_stats for post season rating), which doesn't even take into account the 4 rushing tds and around 500 rushing yards.

A few different things happen and he is a SB champ. Sure he deserves blame, but not all of it. he really only choked one year in the post season and that was 03 I believe when he posted a Qb rating of in the high 50s.

But ya sure, I would rather be a fan of a hopeless team or a team that only makes the playoffs every other year.

If Newton accomplished this I think it would be safe to say he would be the greatest qb in franchise history and many of us would be happy.

[Mr. Scot]

As a fan of a team, I would take the great season, great qb numbers, and deep playoff runs, with a superbowl appearnce, Playoffs appearances year in and year out compared to the seasons of the other 31 teams.

I don't get this, only 1 teamwins the SB every year, so you could say about any QB that didn't win it they they "choked".

He has a career playoff w-l of 9-7. 4 NFC chamiponship appearences. 1 SB appearence. A career playoff QB rating of 79 (great no, but not the worst and was really killed by 1 bad year. http://www.donovanmcnabb.com/ssp/career_stats for post season rating), which doesn't even take into account the 4 rushing tds and around 500 rushing yards.

A few different things happen and he is a SB champ. Sure he deserves blame, but not all of it. he really only choked one year in the post season and that was 03 I believe when he posted a Qb rating of in the high 50s.

But ya sure, I would rather be a fan of a hopeless team or a team that only makes the playoffs every other year.

Here's the issue: How much of it is actually McNabb and how much is Reid's system?

As mentioned above, the fact that Reid can plug in other guys and not miss a beat while McNabb goes elsewhere and struggles doesn't speak well.

Plus it's not just stats. I've watched pretty much all of McNabb's playoff games, and he just hasn't shown himself to be a championship caliber QB. Early on, he took offense to Warren Sapp calling him "a runningback who throws" and passed up obvious running opportunities trying to show that he could pass. Throw in that he ran what was likely the worst two-minute drill in history in the Super Bowl and upchucked on the field, and there you go.

Sorry, but for me, great in the regular season and adequate to lousy in championships just isn't good enough. That's definitely not what I want from Newton.

[HoFBound90]

I agree, I want a SB from Newton as well. I just don't understand the hate on McNabb when has won on almost every level but the SB and put up numbers that would persuay people about any other QB. Sure his backups have filled in well, but there iwas a clear difference if you watched Mcnabb in his prime compared to his backups.

I mean, by these standard up until a few years ago Peyton was a choke artist too, great #s during the season but sucked in the playoffs, and boy do I mean bad, he choked in every game basically vs the pats and steelers. Until their SB run, which is in large part responsible to their D, but most people forget that.

he was a dominant presence on the field, able to extend every play, over 60% accuracy in the playoffs, and a cannon arm. He could also take off on you and was hard to bring down.

I do agree it was a terrible 2 min drill in the SB but it wasn't just him. Of course he could have tried to motivate his guys, but we weren'ton the field, we couldn't tell if he was yelling or not. His lineman were out f shape and walking to the line.

Every QB can be nitpicked, and when it comes to Mcnabb his credentials are thrown right out window usually.

[Mr. Scot]

I agree, I want a SB from Newton as well. I just don't understand the hate on McNabb when has won on almost every level but the SB and put up numbers that would persuay people about any other QB. Sure his backups have filled in well, but there iwas a clear difference if you watched Mcnabb in his prime compared to his backups.

I mean, by these standard up until a few years ago Peyton was a choke artist too, great #s during the season but sucked in the playoffs, and boy do I mean bad, he choked in every game basically vs the pats and steelers. Until their SB run, which is in large part responsible to their D, but most people forget that.

he was a dominant presence on the field, able to extend every play, over 60% accuracy in the playoffs, and a cannon arm. He could also take off on you and was hard to bring down.

I do agree it was a terrible 2 min drill in the SB but it wasn't just him. Of course he could have tried to motivate his guys, but we weren'ton the field, we couldn't tell if he was yelling or not. His lineman were out f shape and walking to the line.

Every QB can be nitpicked, and when it comes to Mcnabb his credentials are thrown right out window usually.

There are certain quarterbacks and coaches who are great in the regular season but who have a bad habit of folding on the big stage. Up until a few years ago, Manning was one of them. McNabb still is. Thus far, so are Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, and you could make a case for Mark Sanchez there too.

Honestly, you could make a good case that Reid is one of those in the coaching area. Schottenheimer is probably the chief on that front. Dennis Green was another. Cowher and Dungy had that rep too until they finally got theirs.

Good, but not quite good enough is just not what I want in a coach or a quarterback.

[HoFBound90]

There are certain quarterbacks and coaches who are great in the regular season but who have a bad habit of folding on the big stage. Up until a few years ago, Manning was one of them. McNabb still is. Thus far, so are Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, and you could make a case for Mark Sanchez there too.

Honestly, you could make a good case that Reid is one of those in the coaching area. Schottenheimer is probably the chief on that front. Dennis Green was another. Cowher and Dungy had that rep too until they finally got theirs.

Good, but not quite good enough is just not what I want in a coach or a quarterback.

Agreed, I'm right there with you about that with the Panthers and Cam.

I also agree with the McNabb attitude about throwing teammates under the bus. And sure he hasn't won the big one and more then likely won't, but we will have to agree to disagree on his talent. This has always been the argument of Donovan and I guess it will never change.

[Mr. Scot]

Agreed, I'm right there with you about that with the Panthers and Cam.

I also agree with the McNabb attitude about throwing teammates under the bus. And sure he hasn't won the big one and more then likely won't, but we will have to agree to disagree on his talent. This has always been the argument of Donovan and I guess it will never change.

It's not just McNabb.

You'll never find me in favor of bringing in a WCO quarterback when we don't run a Walsh style system. Hasselbeck, Garcia, Feeley, etc. No interest in any of them.

It's a very QB stat friendly system. We've already got a QB better suited to that style of play on roster. Don't need another.

As to McNabb, he may well be better this season since he'll be returning to that kind of system (under Bill Musgrave) but people taking that to mean that he would have succeeded here will be making an error.

[theyhateme45]

And then choked in them.

Consider that Reid has inserted other QBs (Garcia, Detmer, Feeley, Vick) and the Eagles haven't missed a beat. On the flipside, when McNabb went to a new system, he struggled (same as other guys who have flown the coop from Philly). Heck, Shanahan wound up benching him and questioning his work ethic. Romanowski went the extra step of calling him "lazy" recently.

McNabb's not high on my list of guys I'd want Newton to emulate.

(neither is Derek Anderson honestly, but whaddaya gonna do)

I don't remember Garcia, Detmer, Vick playing in Superbowls or NFC Championship Games with Philly???? But I do remember McNabb doing that... with the likes of Freddie Mitchell being a go to WR!

Some QB's never even make it to those games....

If Reids system is sooo good that any QB can come in and win the NFC on go to title games, then I think all teams would be doing it, and their wouldn't be a premium on QB's SINCE IT;s all about the system!!!

Some players/Coaches gets hated on... an no matter what they accomplish it's never praise to them... (Mcnabb, Fox Super Bowl run, Jake). But let someone the fans like do the exact same thing and they are given all the credit in the world!

The Bias and lack of objectivity by a lot on this board is crazy!

[theyhateme45]

There are certain quarterbacks and coaches who are great in the regular season but who have a bad habit of folding on the big stage. Up until a few years ago, Manning was one of them. McNabb still is. Thus far, so are Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, and you could make a case for Mark Sanchez there too.

Honestly, you could make a good case that Reid is one of those in the coaching area. Schottenheimer is probably the chief on that front. Dennis Green was another. Cowher and Dungy had that rep too until they finally got theirs.

Good, but not quite good enough is just not what I want in a coach or a quarterback.

You guys are Crazy!! and this is what's wrong with sports fans IMO. No objectivity.

Only 1 QB... 1 QB... 1 QB a year can win the superbowl! Doesn't mean the other 31 are garbage, or all chocked. When you get to the playoffs, and play another great team it comes down to 1 or two key plays. A key fumble, a defensive player making the right read and making a good play, a missed FG, ect.

Just because you don't win the game, or a team had a better day, or had things go their way does not automatically mean that the QB and the Head COach Chocked.... or they can't win the big game. You need A LOT to go right to make it to the super bowl, or even win.

If the NBA playoffs were 1 and done, Jordan and KOBe probably wouldn't have all the rings they do, cause on any given night, one team can beat them, wouldn't mean they chocked... But because it's the best of 7,5 the best team, players usually come out winning... Not the case in the NFL!

[Proudiddy]

I have been a big supporter of McNabb and hope he would be really successful (as long as it didn't interfere with us, but often we weren't in a position of success) due to a lot of the criticism he unjustly received early on.

He always seemed like a genuine, fun-loving, talented QB... Also, when he received criticism, I appreciated that he didn't use it as an excuse and often would ignore it and wouldn't engage it in the media. Sometimes, it just seemed like he was unjustly victimized.

But, my perception of him has started to change a little bit this off-season... I can't remember who it was, but it was someone from NFLN, and they said don't let McNabb fool you... A lot of the problems he's had and flack he's gotten over the years has been his own doing b/c he has a diva attitude with his teammates.

So, before this year, I would've liked the McNabb comparisons to a degree, although I hope Cam is even more successful. But, now, I just want Cam to be Cam - and there's already a difference between how he's been viewed and talked about by his teammates compared to McNabb. Teammates seem to sense that he is sincere in all that he does and says and wants to do whatever it takes to win them over and win games...

Looking back, I don't remember many teammates taking up for McNabb, the person, and some threw him under the bus as a player as well.

[Mr. Scot]

If Reids system is sooo good that any QB can come in and win the NFC on go to title games, then I think all teams would be doing it, and their wouldn't be a premium on QB's SINCE IT;s all about the system!!!

Several are: The West Coast Offense

Reid's one of the better coaches running it, but he's far from alone.

I have nothing against McNabb, but the reality is that all WCO quarterbacks tend to be overrated - and yes, that includes guys like Joe Montana and Steve Young - to a certain degree because the system is very QB friendly.

That said, Montana and Young (more so Montana) proved it in big games. McNabb? Not so much.