Newton's personality reminds me of.............

[Mr. Scot]

I'm not talking about opinions... I'm talking about biasness, and hypocrisy that I have pointed out countless times.

Yes it is your right to be bias or hypocritical; I'm just calling you out on it.

It's not just you, it's a lot of people on this board who opinions are bias based off of who they like and don;t like. My point is don't be fake and try to act like you reasoning is for anything other than biasness.

Example.... people will call The buccs over rated and trash, look past their defense... But if we were being honest, and drafted those defensive line players the past few years in Carolina we'll be on the board talking about how our line is one of the best young D-Lines in the league. Blah blah... but because it's TB, they are injury ridden, will be over rated.. blah blah.

Which it's fine to be bias, just don't try to act like it's anything other than that, then try an convince someone that.

Mcnabb, people don;t like for various reasons, so you and others have a bias towards him, and judge him differently, harder than other QB's. Which is fine... but don't act like it;s based off of honest non-bias assessments. Because for every reasoning you gave, I pointed out your bias.

Actually, what you've done is resorted to the old "can't refute your opinions, so I'll attack your character instead" tactic.

That's weak :nonod:

CRA and HOFB90 have been able to accept that we disagree on this topic without going that route. Apparently you can't.

[theyhateme45]

Actually, what you've done is resorted to the old "can't refute your opinions, so I'll attack your character instead" tactic.

That's weak :nonod:

CRA and HOFB90 have been able to accept that we disagree on this topic without going that route. Apparently you can't.

Now you're just making stuff up. Every single post I made, I made a statement then put valid information there to back it up... there is not one post I made that you can find where I did not.

Every single reasoning you listed I pointed out the bias or hypocrisy.. EVERY SINGLE ONE!!

So Just go find one... and I'll shut up. Just one... Your just talking words now, but I now everything I said I have backed up.

[teeray]

Sorry. I want better than that.

That is a pretty tall order Scot. I want better than that too but in reality that is going to be pretty tough. Some people seem to think that is he ain't Brady and he ain't Manning he ain't good enough.

If Cam can be as good as McNabb during McNabb's best years we will be okay. Then everyone can say stupid crap like "Well it is just bc he was in a system. He really actually sucks!!1111 If he didn't play for Chud he would be average at best!!11!1"

[teeray]

And more to the point of the original OP. I am sure someone has already said this but he reminds me more of Magic Johnson than McNabb.

[Mr. Scot]

Now you're just making stuff up. Every single post I made, I made a statement then put valid information there to back it up... there is not one post I made that you can find where I did not.

Every single reasoning you listed I pointed out the bias or hypocrisy.. EVERY SINGLE ONE!!

So Just go find one... and I'll shut up. Just one... Your just talking words now, but I now everything I said I have backed up.

You really think you can "back up" statements about someone else's motives? Specifically, someone you don't know jack about?

You've never met me. Don't know a thing about me, and yet you think you can attribute my opinions to personal bias and hypocrisy. Whereas I've told you repeatedly it's just a difference in how we evaluate quarterbacks and how we view performances in certain games, all matters of opinion. And again, everyone but you in this thread accepts that.

When you went the personal route, you lost the debate.

[thefuzz]

That is a pretty tall order Scot. I want better than that too but in reality that is going to be pretty tough. Some people seem to think that is he ain't Brady and he ain't Manning he ain't good enough.

If Cam can be as good as McNabb during McNabb's best years we will be okay. Then everyone can say stupid crap like "Well it is just bc he was in a system. He really actually sucks!!1111 If he didn't play for Chud he would be average at best!!11!1"

I would be OK with a McNabb like career from Cam, I prefer a little more stability from my no. 1 overall choice.

10 year career

60% completion rate

Don't miss games seemingly every season

2.5 or so to 1 TD INT

Good Leader

Better than 7.5 ypa

Give me that and I will be happy.

[Mr. Scot]

That is a pretty tall order Scot. I want better than that too but in reality that is going to be pretty tough. Some people seem to think that is he ain't Brady and he ain't Manning he ain't good enough.

If Cam can be as good as McNabb during McNabb's best years we will be okay. Then everyone can say stupid crap like "Well it is just bc he was in a system. He really actually sucks!!1111 If he didn't play for Chud he would be average at best!!11!1"

Depends on how you define "good enough". Trent Dilfer was good enough to win a Super Bowl. If that were Newton, I could live with it, but I'd like better out of a number one overall pick.

Going back to what I said earlier,, if all the other factors are in place, you can win a Super Bowl with a quarterback who's just "good", but it's tougher. The better your quarterback is, the better your chances.

If Newton is as good as McNabb in the regular season, that's something, but I want him to be better than McNabb when it comes to championship games.

Will he be? No idea.

[Mr. Scot]

Not saying I don't.....

but if you are playing QB odds.....we would be lucky to get that caliber of QB. But again, I think more of McNabb than you. (career wise)... Better coaching or a few roster moves....and he easily could have rings.

"What if" is a complicated game.

Maybe, but that's one of those things we'll never know.

And more to the point of the original OP. I am sure someone has already said this but he reminds me more of Magic Johnson than McNabb.

Just for the record, the original topic here was personality, but a load of the discussion has actually been about performance.

Going back to the original issue, have to say that while I'd love for Newton to equal the on-field success of a guy like Peyton Manning, I really wouldn't want him to emulate Peyton's personality. Manning has been just as prone to throw teammates under the bus as McNabb.

In that same vein, I wouldn't really want newton to take after Tom Brady, Michael Vick, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Ben Roethlisberger or Matt Hasselbeck in the personality department. Guys like Steve Young (as a player, not a broadcaster) Kurt Warner (minus Brenda) Drew Brees or even "Team Newton" member Warren Moon would serve as better role models on that front.

Or for that matter, if you're talking strictly about personality, how about this guy:

On-field ability? Moderate to good (sometimes very good in the postseason).

Personality wise though? There aren't many better teammates (ask the guys who played with him).

[theyhateme45]

You really think you can "back up" statements about someone else's motives? Specifically, someone you don't know jack about?

You've never met me. Don't know a thing about me, and yet you think you can attribute my opinions to personal bias and hypocrisy. Whereas I've told you repeatedly it's just a difference in how we evaluate quarterbacks and how we view performances in certain games, all matters of opinion. And again, everyone but you in this thread accepts that.

When you went the personal route, you lost the debate.

I'm just stating the obvious...

If one player goes 20-25 2Td 1 int and a big play and you approve it

the next goes 21-26 2td 1 int and go ahead drive...and you don't give it credit...

The first player plays on a arguably better team, and you give him credit, but refuse to give that second player credit... the yes I can resonably assume that it's biasness. Especially if the first guy is more likeable than the other. It's also resonable because a lot of fans are biased towards teams or players they like.

[CRA]

I could get on board w/ Jake being a good goal personality wise.....good guy, respected, hardworker, energy, fun, and attitude.

always thought Jake lost a little something late in his career....his first few years he was a bit chippier. Would get a little upset and into things more often.....I liked that. Wasn't the same guy in lots of ways late....

[theyhateme45]

And more to the point of the original OP. I am sure someone has already said this but he reminds me more of Magic Johnson than McNabb.

Magic would be cool.

Personality wise If I could choose...I don't want him to be like Mcnabb...I think Mcnabb spent too much time trying to please the fans and media.

I'll rather him be like LBJ in the NBA or Rivers or Manning or any other Confident Cocky SOB QB who feels the can go out there and get the job done. Someone who exudes confidence is sure of himself, and well respected by his teammates. He may not be the media's best friend, but who cares.

[thefuzz]

I could get on board w/ Jake being a good goal personality wise.....good guy, respected, hardworker, energy, fun, and attitude.

always thought Jake lost a little something late in his career....his first few years he was a bit chippier. Would get a little upset and into things more often.....I liked that.

His attitude/personality resembled Rivers a ton, as does the "toning down" thing that you mentioned. They both followed the same path as far as game time passion, and the older they got/are getting seem to be turning that down a bit.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm just stating the obvious...

If one player goes 20-25 2Td 1 int and a big play and you approve it

the next goes 21-26 2td 1 int and go ahead drive...and you don't give it credit...

The first player plays on a arguably better team, and you give him credit, but refuse to give that second player credit... the yes I can resonably assume that it's biasness. Especially if the first guy is more likeable than the other. It's also resonable because a lot of fans are biased towards teams or players they like.

Because the game is more than stats.

Manning in 2006 led his team back from an 18 point deficit in one half of football. Compare that to McNabb's two-minute drill in the Super Bowl and tell me which one came up big on the big stage.

But honestly, if you want to appeal to stats for your argument, you might want to check where McNabb was rated last year. He finished the season with a worse passer rating than Jon Kitna, Kerry Collins, Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Shaun Hill. Overall, 24th out of the top 32.

So if stats are the crux of your argument, it would appear a non-WCO McNabb isn't so hot after all.

[theyhateme45]

Because the game is more than stats.

Manning in 2006 led his team back from an 18 point deficit in one half of football. Compare that to McNabb's two-minute drill in the Super Bowl and tell me which one came up big on the big stage.

But honestly, if you want to appeal to stats for your argument, you might want to check where McNabb was rated last year. He finished the season with a worse passer rating than Jon Kitna, Kerry Collins, Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Shaun Hill. Overall, 24th out of the top 32.

So if stats are the crux of your argument, it would appear a non-WCO McNabb isn't so hot after all.

ONCE AGAIN... Why do you concentrate on the best on Manning and the worst of Mcnabb?????

If you want to be objective compare Mannings Best and Mcnabbs Best...

Or compare Mannings Worst and Mcnabbs worst.... This is the Bias I am talking about, why the hell would you compare Mcnabbs worst 2 minutes to Mannings best time in the playoffs when he's also had plenty of bad... You want to talk about Mcnabb... Talk about him at some of his good times on "The big stage"

http://philadelphia-eagles.net/history/2004/2004-nfc.html

Yes, the Eagles are the NFC Champions for the first time in 24 years. The result: the Eagles will play in the year’s biggest game; Super Bowl XXXIX. The offense was proficient throughout with Donovan McNabb leading 3 long TD drives of: (1) 6-plays 70-yards; (2) 9-plays 72-yards; (3) 11-plays 65-yards in that order. McNabb threw 2 TD passes, both to Chad Lewis while completing 17-of-26 passes (65.4%) for 180 yards with a QB rating of 111.1.

The Eagles offense was productive throughout, scoring 3 TD’s in three different quarters, including 2 against that 25+ mph wind.

And that was without the likes of TO, and the below average WR corps.. in the elements!

I know this game because I was in Atlanta and I am a Falcon hater... to give props to Manning for his 1 championship performance, but not give it to Mcnabb for this is bias.