Does Chud. Run a West Coast Offense?

[CRA]

Just saying, none of us have any idea what this coaching staff has planned. We should all stop pretending like we do.

Speculation for the sake of argument is one thing, stating things as fact is another.

While what you say may be true, I can only tell you what I've seen. The passes Jimmy has been ask to throw in practice have been short and he has done an ok job with them. I have noticed that Cam has an issue with some of the shorter routes...especially if he is rolling to his right. There is no doubt that regardless of who is playing the QB position this year there will be packages build around Cam. My guess at this time is you will see both QB playing this year, Clausen for the regular offense which will be short dump off passes and Cam for, lack of a better term, "wildcat".

OC's don't drastically change what they do year to year. We do have a good idea of what Chud plans to do based off his offenses in the past......(perfect example of his offense being the same was Shockey/Olsen being brought in for Winslow's role).

What Chud did in the NFL is a fact.....It is also a fact most OC's don't change their offensive principles often.

Jimmy hasn't been asked to just throw short passes.....he has been given some of the same plays Cam has but they just selected different options. If Jimmy WAS just asked to only throw short.....then that would make ZERO logical sense. B/c he is getting first string reps and that ain't gonna move Chud's offense. Jimmy CLEARLY prefers to checkdown unless a WR is wideopen downfield.....there is enough play from him to say that. He is doing it still post Fox.

I agree Cam's short to mid range passing game needs work....deep ball has always been there.

[HPPantherzfan]

OC's don't drastically change what they do year to year. We do have a good idea of what Chud plans to do based off his offenses in the past......(perfect example of his offense being the same was Shockey/Olsen being brought in for Winslow's role).

What Chud did in the NFL is a fact.....It is also a fact most OC's don't change their offensive principles often.

Jimmy hasn't been asked to just throw short passes.....he has been given some of the same plays Cam has but they just selected different options. If Jimmy WAS just asked to only throw short.....then that would make ZERO logical sense. B/c he is getting first string reps and that ain't gonna move Chud's offense. Jimmy CLEARLY prefers to checkdown unless a WR is wideopen downfield.....there is enough play from him to say that. He is doing it still post Fox.

I agree Cam's short to mid range passing game needs work....deep ball has always been there.

I can agree with most of this, thats why I think both will see the field this year. It seems like where one QB is good the other, not so much and visa versa.

[pantherclaw]

What I find funny is people on here claiming they know what type of offense we run...play action fake for 50 yard bombs...move the ball downfield...LOL.

In case you all haven't noticed..in practice most of the plays have been short passes under 10 yards. Yes, they have been CALLED plays. People have said there goes Jimmy again; and they are right, he is doing exactly what the coaches called for him to do. Even with Cam in, MOST have been dump off passes under 10 yards or runs.

Point is, this is a new coaching staff and we haven't seen a single game they have game planned for yet everyone knows we are going to do?

Again, for anyone that has actually been to the camps and watched the practice this would all make sense, most plays that are practiced are the "dump off" plays you all hate so much.

every offense has short dump off plays. It's called making progressions. Dump offs are typically the last read, and one of he safety valves (along with the tight end) to get the qb out of trouble, while still getting a few yards...rather than none, or worse, loss of yardage.

No offense can just have deep routes...got to have underneath stuff when the defense plays off to prevent the big play.

Chuds offensive back groud is there for everyone to know about.

[CRA]

I can agree with most of this, thats why I think both will see the field this year. It seems like where one QB is good the other, not so much and visa versa.

I don't think Chud going all Steve Spurrier and rotating QBs in.......

maybe Cam gets rotated in if Rivera ain't comfortable w/ Cam starting right away.....but once Cam gets the job Clausen ain't being rotated in for plays.

[HPPantherzfan]

I don't think Chud going all Steve Spurrier and rotating QBs in.......

maybe Cam gets rotated in if Rivera ain't comfortable w/ Cam starting right away.....but once Cam gets the job Clausen ain't being rotated in for plays.

You may be right there as well. From what I've seen at practice, though, Cam won't be starting. Jimmy has played better thus far. We will see what happens when preseason games start up.

To be fair, I wasn't at fanfest so I'm speaking soley from my experience at the previous practices.

[HPPantherzfan]

Also to consider, given the short amount of time that the coaches have had to implement they're offense, they may be just installing a small percentage of it right now. everything being said, I dont think this is going to be a Philly style WCO, I think that our offense is going to look more like San Diego's offense once it is fully implemented. W wouldnt have brought in all of the TEs if we werent going to try to emulate they way the Chargers use Antonio Gates.

I think you are correct, and Phillip Rivers AVG passing yards last year was 8.7. So again, within 10 yards on most plays. Well over half of his overall passes where within 20 yards.

As a matter of fact, is avg yards per pass per season since his rookie year has never hit over 8.8

[HPPantherzfan]

Chuds offensive back groud is there for everyone to know about.

You are right, which is why I'm scratching my head on some of these comments.

[mav1234]

Another example of the system that chud is bringing here, think back to the eary 90's dallas cowboys. That is a norv turner coryell offense. Chud's offense is based on the same offense, with new wrinkles, especially considering cam newtons abilities.l

I know what you meant - it's just funny, because the 90's cowboys prompted the term "West coast offense" by Kosar... of course, walsh's offense is what most refer to as the WCO which obviously we are not running... we are just nitpicky bunch. Imagine if this had been said during the lockout, this thread would be 20+ pages. ;)

[CRA]

You may be right there as well. From what I've seen at practice, though, Cam won't be starting. Jimmy has played better thus far. We will see what happens when preseason games start up.

To be fair, I wasn't at fanfest so I'm speaking soley from my experience at the previous practices.

Don't see how one could argue Jimmy has played better.......he is playing exactly like last year ( only difference is he isn't facing a defense gamplanning to stop his lame throws).

Cam already looks just as good as Clausen.....a week into camp. Cam will improve most likely at a much higher rate this preseason and season than Clausen as well.

[HPPantherzfan]

Don't see how one could argue Jimmy has played better.......he is playing exactly like last year ( only difference is he isn't facing a defense gamplanning to stop his lame throws).

Cam already looks just as good as Clausen.....a week into camp. Cam will improve most likely at a much higher rate this preseason and season than Clausen as well.

Just my opinion from what I've seen. Cam hasn't looked as good as some have Tweeted or reported here on this site. Cam has over thrown and under thrown open receivers both short yardage and long. He holds the ball far to long, much like Jimmy, and several of these plays where he "extends" them would actuall be sacks in a real game. I say Jimmy has played better because I have watched him complete is assignments. I don't think anyone can argue that at all. Now if you think because Cam has completed 3 more passes beyond 30 yards than Jimmy has against 2nd string D then by all means that is your choice. I think if you read around on this very board you will see lot of people that have watch practice will say the same thing.

For what its worth, Cam does have more potential than Jimmy, thats easy to see. When he is on, he is great. Problem is, he is a rookie and he isn't "on" all that much; yet!

[CRA]

You are right, which is why I'm scratching my head on some of these comments.

why, majority of Chud's passing production in his offense comes from throws 10+ yards downfield.....that is fact.

[CRA]

Just my opinion from what I've seen. Cam hasn't looked as good as some have Tweeted or reported here on this site. Cam has over thrown and under thrown open receivers both short yardage and long. He holds the ball far to long, much like Jimmy, and several of these plays where he "extends" them would actuall be sacks in a real game. I say Jimmy has played better because I have watched him complete is assignments. I don't think anyone can argue that at all. Now if you think because Cam has completed 3 more passes beyond 30 yards than Jimmy has against 2nd string D then by all means that is your choice. I think if you read around on this very board you will see lot of people that have watch practice will say the same thing.

For what its worth, Cam does have more potential than Jimmy, thats easy to see. When he is on, he is great. Problem is, he is a rookie and he isn't "on" all that much; yet!

what tweets are you reading?

Most beat writers have given the slight edge to Cam as well as fans.

Jimmy isn't completing passes over 10 yards.......and that is part of the offense he is suppose to be running. Jimmy isn't being told only checkdown and throw to the short rotues while Cam is being told to throw all the routes. He didn't do it last year.....and that is all Clausen. When you put THAT in front of a D that gets to gameplan for that....you get an offense that goes nowhere (which we saw too often last year).

[HPPantherzfan]

what tweets are you reading?

Most beat writers have given the slight edge to Cam as well as fans.

Jimmy isn't completing passes over 10 yards.......and that is part of the offense he is suppose to be running. Jimmy isn't being told only checkdown and throw to the short rotues while Cam is being told to throw all the routes. He didn't do it last year.....and that is all Clausen. When you put THAT in front of a D that gets to gameplan for that....you get an offense that goes nowhere (which we saw too often last year).

This is just flat out wrong and misinformation. You are now spewing your hate for the guy again instead of looking at the situation in an unbias manner.

Clausen has CERTAINLY completed passes over 10 yards with the D in front of him just like Cam has completed some withing 10 yards with the D in front of him. When you say things like this there will be some on here that take it as fact and start spreading it around. Please don't say thing like "he isn't completing passes over 10 yards" because that is simply not true.

Busy week for the Panthers as they prepare for their first preseason game under Rivera. Tomorrow, we will have more on the evolving QB situation. The feeling now is Clausen has a slight edge on retaining his starting job. Do yourself a favor: if you hear or see any pundits suggesting that Newton will start simply because of his infectious personality or his draft position—ignore it.

[carpanfan96]

I think you are correct, and Phillip Rivers AVG passing yards last year was 8.7. So again, within 10 yards on most plays. Well over half of his overall passes where within 20 yards.

As a matter of fact, is avg yards per pass per season since his rookie year has never hit over 8.8

That's actually really, really high. The average AYPA or YPA is around 6.8 or so.

He actually lead the league last year by .5 YPA and he's lead the league in that stat since 2006.

In the two seasons in Cleavland DA averaged 7.19 YPA "12th in the league" and in his bad year he average 5.7 YPA.

There's usually only one or two QB's that average over 8 YPA for a full season in each season.

Last season there was 4 QB's

Rivers

Big Ben

Vick

Rodgers

River's typically will also be top 10 in Air Yards Per Attempt as well.