Does Chud. Run a West Coast Offense?

[Davidson Deac II]

But isn't run heavy and vertical passing attack exactly what we did in 2003 under Fox? We were successful at it then, but as those players got older, the offense began to fail and we never had the right personnel to replace them. Which is why imo Fox's problem was never the style of play, but not having the personnel to implement it.

[pantherclaw]

But isn't run heavy and vertical passing attack exactly what we did in 2003 under Fox? We were successful at it then, but as those players got older, the offense began to fail and we never had the right personnel to replace them. Which is why imo Fox's problem was never the style of play, but not having the personnel to implement it.

i agree. Moose left, and the young receiver we had to relace him, couldnt even duplicate his rookie season. Then we had keyshawn, but injuries at the rb position hurt us. Last year, we couldnt get good qb play, the oline was hurt.

[scpanther22]

the only one you said was steve reed. He is know to not always have his facts straight.

Believe what ya want though.lol

I also dont care what chud calls his offense, long as it puts points up.

I think it is cute that steve reed makes an error, and fans run with it.

Kalili aslo said is was a WCO.

[jarhead]

Kalili aslo said is was a WCO.

Good post...It is refreahing to read a post about football for a change versus who can be the bigger a$$hole

[PandaMan]

So you'd be cool with it being called the Pretty Panda Surprise offense?

Definitely

[CRA]

Kalili aslo said is was a WCO.

Yes, but all WCO aren't the same. In regards to Clausen people are referring to the Bill Walsh system

[mav1234]

But isn't run heavy and vertical passing attack exactly what we did in 2003 under Fox? We were successful at it then, but as those players got older, the offense began to fail and we never had the right personnel to replace them. Which is why imo Fox's problem was never the style of play, but not having the personnel to implement it.

It was. That's because Henning was our OC, and he is a disciple of... yes, the coryell offense.

Yes, but all WCO aren't the same. In regards to Clausen people are referring to the Bill Walsh system

clausen had trouble with intermediate accuracy last year - actually that was among his biggest issues, really - and if he doesn't get better at that, he wouldn't function in any offense. that's where he has apparently improved in training camp, and if he can do better in that area, he could function just fine in a coryell offense (though perhaps not this one if the offense really is incorporating wrinkles with the option game ;P)

[Davidson Deac II]

Mr Scot said it nicely.

Henning runs the Pure Coryell system that he has used since the late 80s in San Diego.

Chud learned his variation of the system from Norv Turner while he was a TE coach in San Diego. Norv Turner's variation of the Coryell offense focuses on a smaller playbook than the original, and instead focuses on the perfection of those fewr plays. IMO it is a better variation, and is more useful to cater to the strengths of your players.

I watched air coryell for a few years, I don't remember them running the ball a lot. It seems that many of Coryell's protege's moved away from the type of offense he actually ran at San Diego.

[panthers55]

A WCO is more a philosophy than particular plays. Traditionally there is a short passing game which substitutes for the running game, lots of timing passes to spots instead of throwing to receivers, and 3,5, and 7 set timing passes.

What we will run in the air coryell is lots of runs, play actilon deep passes, some timing routes, throw to we, tes, running backs, etc. We will mix things up and press the defense stretching the field.

So you tell me, does that sound west coast or not?

[Marguide]

Actually, the Coryell offense didn't start on the west coast. In the NFL, he first used it in St. Louis in the mid 70's. They had players like Jim Hart, and Terry Metcalf and Mel Gray, and it was a beautiful thing to watch.

However, like their run in Arizona, the Cardinals have almost always been totally inept as a franchise, so the offense didn't get much publicity until he hooked up with Dan Fouts in San Diego.

So I guess maybe you could call Air Coryell the mid-west offense.

[pantherclaw]

A WCO is more a philosophy than particular plays. Traditionally there is a short passing game which substitutes for the running game, lots of timing passes to spots instead of throwing to receivers, and 3,5, and 7 set timing passes.

What we will run in the air coryell is lots of runs, play actilon deep passes, some timing routes, throw to we, tes, running backs, etc. We will mix things up and press the defense stretching the field.

So you tell me, does that sound west coast or not?

thank you.

[pantherclaw]

Good post...It is refreahing to read a post about football for a change versus who can be the bigger a$$hole

you're the only one in here throwing insults around....indirectly at that. So that means you win this asshole award you suppovely dispise.

Keep up the good work.

[pantherclaw]

Kalili aslo said is was a WCO.

link?

I cant imagine kalil erroring like that.

I've been a pro football fanatic all my life. Long enough to know the coryell offense pre dates the WCO.

Now the WCO may be a short timing offense based upon the coryell, but it is not the other way around.

Like panther55 said, the west coast offense (named that not for its origin either), uses short passing instead of a heavy running game. Doesnt mean they still cant have good running games, but it is a different style. Heavily based on timing, short passes, big receivers that can get yac.

Most coryell based offenses use a dominate run game, and play action. In todays day and age, there are so many various versions of both offenses.

Another thing, if chud was going to run a WCO, the panthers would not have drafted cam, and they would have made an effort to attain mcnabb.

[mav1234]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post?id=23120

“We’ll be a West Coast offense, definitely,’’ Pro Bowl center Ryan Kalil said Monday afternoon. “But Cam’s a whole new aspect of it. No matter who wins that job, it’s going to be interesting. I’ve got to imagine, even if Jimmy’s the guy, they’re going to put in Cam and utilize him as well. I don’t know that for a fact. But just from what I’ve seen, I’d have to imagine that’s something they’re going to do. I can’t imagine them keeping him on the sidelines for a whole year. He’s too dynamic. At very least, they have to put in some packages for him and get him on the field.’’