Does Chud. Run a West Coast Offense?

[ladypanther]

Honestly, it doesn't sound that much different from what Fox wanted to do, except that it uses the Tight End more. Lets hope they are better at running it.

I think Smitty would disagree with that.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/08/06/2510122/smith-happy-with-new-look.html

[megadeth078]

whatever fox was running probably shouldn't be compared to Coryell's offense

[pantherclaw]

It actually IS a WCO...just not the one that people mean (the Walsh system) when they say WCO

once again. The coryell offense pre dates the WCO.

And if you think norv turner (whom's chud offense is mostly based upon, is WCO, then all i can do is laugh. Luckily i've been a football fan long enough that i dont need wiki to tell me which came first, and which is a part of which.

[Gipetto]

if you've never seen what it looks like to make a touchdown like a boss you will in this offense.

[Kevin Greene]

the air coryell pre-dates any WCO.

The WCO is a timing system with a lot of short and intermediate pass paterns.

Norv turner and Chud are not a WCO guys.

Yep, think about the Rams during Jim Everett's prime. Ernie Zampese and Norv Turner running the O. You had Henry Ellard and Flipper Andrson going deep and a John Robinson influence.

Then think about Norv Turner running the early 90s Cowboy offense with Micheal Irvin, Alvin harper and Emmett running the rock.

This aint no WCO poo.

Coaching Tree: This is a limited coaching tree which shows how the Gillma-Coryell Offense got to Norv Turner.

Sid Gillman

(Head Coach, San Diego Chargers from 1961 to 1969 and again in 1971. Credited with ushering in the modern passing era.)

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Don Coryell

(Watched Gillman’s Pre-Season Camps and absorbed the offense. Eventually became head coach of the Chargers from 1978 to 1986)

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Ernie Zampese

(Learned the system from Coryell as an offensive assistant with the Chargers. Was the offensive coordinator of the L.A Rams from '87 to '93)

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Norv Turner

(Receivers coach with the L.A. Rams from '88 to '90. Learned the Coryell system from Zampese and took it to Dallas.)

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Mike Martz

(Learned the Coryell System from Zampese as an offensive assistant for the L.A. Rams in '92 and from Turner while an assistant for the Redskins during the '97-'98 season.)

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/482-real-west-coast-offense-comes-san-francisco/

[scpanther22]

It is not a WCO.

So I guess the players dont know what they're talking about.:rolleyes:

[mav1234]

as you should know by now scpanther22, the huddle is the foremost source for football knowledge. we simply know more than those who play the game. their closeness to the game blinds them!

that being said, it's also possible that the players didn't say 'west coast offense' at all and instead Reed came up with that one.

also, if cleveland/san diego are any example of where passes will be thrown, the vast majority of offensive production through the air should come from passes under 20 yards.

[lightsout]

I don't think the Air Coryell is a TRADITIONAL WCO that we are accustomed with. However, it is a variation of it (or rather, the WCO is a variation of the Air Coryell. Either way). It is essentially the same, with an extra deep option on it. WCO teams typically have 1 deep route to drag the safety away with the corner, then you have a mid range, and the rest are short routes/flats. At least, that is the way I look at it.

WCO as in what Vick ran in Atlanta was predicated on what I mentioned above. Moving the chains methodically and throwing the deep ball a few times a game to keep the defense honest. Air Coryell is designed to hit you quick at any given moment. Lull you to sleep with a run or two, then the short pass, then the bomb to finish you off.

I hope I am right with those definitions/philosophies. I am planning on coaching high school football when I graduate in a couple years.

[Cyberjag]

I don't care what it's called as long as it's good for more than 12.2 points per game.

[lightsout]

I don't care what it's called as long as it's good for more than 12.2 points per game.

So you'd be cool with it being called the Pretty Panda Surprise offense?

[Boltergeist]

also, if cleveland/san diego are any example of where passes will be thrown, the vast majority of offensive production through the air should come from passes under 20 yards.

When the Turner offense is really clicking, it's from the intermediate routes. SD could start a drive on their 10 and before you know it, pass to Floyd for 16, Gates for 14, VJ for 17, back to Floyd for 11 and before you can even blink we're in FG range.

[pantherclaw]

So I guess the players dont know what they're talking about.:rolleyes:

the only one you said was steve reed. He is know to not always have his facts straight.

Believe what ya want though.lol

I also dont care what chud calls his offense, long as it puts points up.

I think it is cute that steve reed makes an error, and fans run with it.

[Mr. Scot]

whatever fox was running probably shouldn't be compared to Coryell's offense

Under Henning, it was a pure Coryell.

Under Davidson - a Charlie Weis disciple - it was more of an Erhardt-Perkins type system (kind of an offshoot).

Chudzinski? Expect a Norv Turner type Coryell, which means flexibility, creativity and adaptation.

[Davidson Deac II]

whatever fox was running probably shouldn't be compared to Coryell's offense

Perhaps not, although in honesty, I don't think we will be running anything similar to what Coryell ran with Fouts at qb. On the surface, it sounds a lot more similar to what Joe Gibbs ran at Washington in the 80's, ie heavy run and throw it down the field. Of course, imo what made Gibbs so successful was that he was able to adjust the offense to the personnel he had on hand.