JR Addresses Accusations of Being Cheap

[riddel]

kudos to you for laying out the dumbest analogy ever

thanks

[panthers55]

Anyone who has watched the NFL long enough to have interest in buying PSLs knows that some years are going to be great and some years are just flat out going to hurt like hell to watch. You hope that there are more of the former than the latter but in the end this isn't a product like a car. This isn't something you buy and use until it breaks down. This is the tickets to a live sporting contest that, by its very nature, has an unpredictable outcome. Expecting that the outcome will always be enjoyable is just flat out naive.

I do understand that as a PSL owner you have to justify that cost year in and year out and that its much easier to pallet when you feel like you and the ownership are of a like mind re: the direction of the team. But at the end of the day you still just bought tickets to a very elaborate throw of the dice.

The difference is that season ticket owners buy a ticket every year and what there are promised is 10 games a year and nothing else. They can walk away when they want and no further involvement. With PSls you have a seat in the stadium guaranteed and touted by the Panthers as a lifetime investment to pass on to your children. Any sales must be approved by the Panthers and the rights transferred for a fee. It isn't like a ticket or simple pass. You can't stop buying tickets without having to sell the PSLs and if you don't shell out the bucks you forfeit your investment. So there is more of an implied relationship than simply buying the tickets or not. Richardson knows it too or he wouldn't be writing a letter apologizing for the crappy results in 2010.

[riddel]

OK ... my last (I hope) comment to you. You're full of poo.

:willy_nilly:

[thunderraiden]

Yes, Mr. Richardson...you WERE cheap last year. You were cheap in the fact that you chose to let a dead coach stay in because you didn't want to pay a new coach and his staff in addition to Fox's. You allowed this to go on the entire year putting bad product on the field and insomuch admitted so through the apology to the PSL/STHers. You admitted your reasoning for not getting a new coach at the press conference WAS about money. If a coach openly does not follow your directives, you fire them.

And we know he only did this because his intent was to reduce his payouts leading into a lockout that he wanted and pushed. Couple that with the FO layoffs and the ticket prices going up last year?

His FA/extension moves these past couple of weeks haven't erased those facts.

meh, lets see what you would have done with your millions if u were the one spearheading a lockout.

[Urrymonster]

I have some great land with wonderful water access and varied wildlife you are going to love. No neighbors and your property in all directions. You can be king of all you survey. Sound good????

Yeah, swamp land.

There was no long term lockout to survive and I have already shown people in numerous poststhat most of that dead weight would have been gone after 2010 anyway so it did nothing to prepare us for 2011. The cap would have been the same this year whether we kept the vets or not. That is a fact. All he did was save payroll last year and line his pockets while raising prices. Anyone naive to believe anything needs to call me about the above real estate.

Jake Delhomme - With the finish Moore had in 2009, who wouldn't have done this?

Johnson & Diggs - Likely would not have seen Anderson or Connor emerge

Hoover - Had a ready made replacement that we needed to know what we had

Kemo & Lewis - These made sense financially, however we didn't replace them

Moose - Say goodbye to Gettis

Peppers - would have been great with CJ, however would we have been able to resign CJ this season with Peps contract?

Vincent - We've seen Schwartz turn into a possible long term answer at RG

Not all decisions are financial.

[bleys]

and I find it hard to believe 4 winning seasons in 16 is a valid argument.. there are owners who obviously don't care about winning and those who try to win.. it's not like he hasn't tried.

hopefully Rivera makes JR look better, after all, the coaches coach and form the team..

[panthers55]

And you are so wrapped up in your own personal feelings and emotions that you aren't looking at it objectively. Have I had PSLs? No, but that is irrelevant in looking at the facts. As you are so painstakingly trying to do, there are other ways of getting your fingers burnt through finances. The issue with this, is that you are looking at your PSL as a yearly commitment, when in fact you made the commitment at the beginning and now all you are doing is the same as any other season ticket holder.

Again it easy to make an argumnt from the outside when you have nothing at stake. Do you think that a guy who loses thousands in the stock market is assuaged when an outsider says well you knew it was a gamble. You do think a guy who buys an expensive item from the store that breaks feels better when someone tells him that there is no explicit warranty.

And as I have explained, it isn't like a season ticket holder who can simply walk away with no consequence. If I could have I wouldn't have renewed this year, I didn't really have the money. I was compelled to pay $1500 dollars or lose an investment of 9000 dollars. That is not the same as simply buying season tickets at all.

[panthers55]

of course he did.. any businessman would do the same.. Fox decided to stay. our younger players got experience. Matt Moore gave us reason enough to believe he could handle QB.

I would have made this decision 11 out of 10 times given the young players who had shown potential and realizing a lockout was on the horizon..

Glad you're not running the front office. J/K:D I wouldn't have. And I would have been right. I said the team would suck and it did.

[Urrymonster]

Again it easy to make an argumnt from the outside when you have nothing at stake. Do you think that a guy who loses thousands in the stock market is assuaged when an outsider says well you knew it was a gamble. You do think a guy who buys an expensive item from the store that breaks feels better when someone tells him that there is no explicit warranty.

And as I have explained, it isn't like a season ticket holder who can simply walk away with no consequence. If I could have I wouldn't have renewed this year, I didn't really have the money. I was compelled to pay $1500 dollars or lose an investment of 9000 dollars. That is not the same as simply buying season tickets at all.

You made your initial payment of $9000. That's your PSL. You are then buying then season ticket at $1500 a year. You pointed out that the whole point of the PSL is that its a lifetime guarantee that that seat is yours, provided you keep paying for it.

Now. Considering it's a lifetime guarantee, then why are you judging it ont he merits of one season?

[bleys]

Jake Delhomme - With the finish Moore had in 2009, who wouldn't have done this?

Johnson & Diggs - Likely would not have seen Anderson or Connor emerge

Hoover - Had a ready made replacement that we needed to know what we had

Kemo & Lewis - These made sense financially, however we didn't replace them

Moose - Say goodbye to Gettis

Peppers - would have been great with CJ, however would we have been able to resign CJ this season with Peps contract?

Vincent - We've seen Schwartz turn into a possible long term answer at RG

Not all decisions are financial.

pay attention to the fact that only 3(?) of those players didn't immediately retire and that the 3 that didn't retire only 2 are barely on a roster..

oh, and we tried to pay Pep.. he left regardless.. irrelevant to this discussion.

[panthers55]

Jake Delhomme - With the finish Moore had in 2009, who wouldn't have done this?

Johnson & Diggs - Likely would not have seen Anderson or Connor emerge

Hoover - Had a ready made replacement that we needed to know what we had

Kemo & Lewis - These made sense financially, however we didn't replace them

Moose - Say goodbye to Gettis

Peppers - would have been great with CJ, however would we have been able to resign CJ this season with Peps contract?

Vincent - We've seen Schwartz turn into a possible long term answer at RG

Not all decisions are financial.

Lets not rehash 2010 again from a personnel point of view. Bottom line is that none of the people above besides Diggs would have had a contract beyond 2010. Yeah by sucking so hard the silver lining is that some young guys got work and it might be a good thing going forward, but it could have been worked out differently and didn't require us to be so terribly in 2010.

[bleys]

Glad you're not running the front office. J/K:D I wouldn't have. And I would have been right. I said the team would suck and it did.

I was expecting that ironic comment from someone.. lol

[riddel]

You made your initial payment of $9000. That's your PSL. You are then buying then season ticket at $1500 a year. You pointed out that the whole point of the PSL is that its a lifetime guarantee that that seat is yours, provided you keep paying for it.

Now. Considering it's a lifetime guarantee, then why are you judging it ont he merits of one season?

Read Panther55's post again. He is FORCED to purchase the $1500 in tickets which were probably only worth $500 -$750 in 2010 due to Richardson tanking the season. If Panther55 wanted to sale the tickets he would have been lucky to get half their face, yet he's stuck paying the full price regardless of his desire or he losses is $9000 seat right, that is probably also worth half it's value due to Richardson's tanking the season.

[panthers55]

pay attention to the fact that only 3(?) of those players didn't immediately retire and that the 3 that did only 2 are barely on a roster..

oh, and we tried to pay Pep.. he left regardless.. irrelevant to this discussion.

Look at this year. Randy Moss retired this week. You really think he couldn't have helped a team?? That is hardly a decent argument.