How Cam turns out will show how good this Coaching Staff is

[King Taharqa]

As for as physical talent, who gives a poo? Its the talent between the ears that will decide if the kid makes it or not.

If it were just about the cerebral, all your NFL QBs would come from the Ivy League. If you physically cant make the throws, or manuever in the pocket, and absorb a hit, dont matter how smart you are. David Carr is a smart kid, so is Clausen. But when the ball is sbapped none of that matters. All of Peyton Mannings football IQ would be useless if he physically wasnt accurate with the football. There is no substitute for physical talent at the QB position, lucky for us our QB has it all.

[PanthersPhan18]

search for posts before the draft...all has been said. Cam was worth it, we just signed him for 20 million 4 years lol. That's worth it to find out for me. Because 1 we haev no one with any real potential at being elite at QB and 2. if he sucks so what we get Luck next year. But I'd rather give him props until he fails me rather than knock on the guy. The front office is surrounding him with pieces for success and support and believing in Cam from the fans will surely help him as well.

More like if we finish last we will get Luck. I don't see us finishing last this season, because I can't see how Newton can be as bad as Clausen was last year.

[Gipetto]

Say 5 years from now luck is a bust and cam has taken us to multiple playoff games wha then

[King Taharqa]

Say 5 years from now luck is a bust and cam has taken us to multiple playoff games wha then

His name wont be mentioned, and there will be a new dude who hasnt won anything hyped as the absolute to take his place.

[Highlandfire]

If it were just about the cerebral, all your NFL QBs would come from the Ivy League. If you physically cant make the throws, or manuever in the pocket, and absorb a hit, dont matter how smart you are. David Carr is a smart kid, so is Clausen. But when the ball is sbapped none of that matters. All of Peyton Mannings football IQ would be useless if he physically wasnt accurate with the football. There is no substitute for physical talent at the QB position, lucky for us our QB has it all.

King, sorry let me clarify I mean football smarts. I agree completely that scoring well on the wonderlic or whatever means squat. The guy has to be able to have great football smarts and so far I don't see it in anything he has done. One read, and run that isn't going to cut it in the NFL. As for as accuracy that may be the #1 knock on Cam so far esp after the combine episode.

And again for all that missed it, I am giving the kid a clean slate. I am completely open to the fact maybe he has more between the ears football wise than he has been allowed to show. So go get it big guy lets see what you can do.

[Highlandfire]

More like if we finish last we will get Luck. I don't see us finishing last this season, because I can't see how Newton can be as bad as Clausen was last year.

We will not finish anywhere near last giving us the first pick. Coaching has been the #1 issue for years and I feel that is corrected.

Next, Luck won't go #1 just wait and see :D Landry Jones should have another great year and possibly a National championship under his belt. Luck is going to struggle without harbaugh being there, plus there are a couple other cats that could be great this year that will be coming out.

[Highlandfire]

A lot of folks are citing the Gruden interview. Let's look at "Big Ben" as a rookie. Ben benefitted from a great staff and his natural ability, not because he has a PhD in rocket surgery, or is a Mensa member. At this point I'm happy as hell to have Cam +Coach Ron's staff vs. what we've had for the last couple of years.

I agree. Rivera is going to take this same talent and do wonders with it

[monstercat]

I believe it's more on Cam himself than the coaching staff. His work ethic and ability to learn new concepts is what matters. JC and Pike are getting the exact same coaching.

[Highlandfire]

I believe it's more on Cam himself than the coaching staff. His work ethic and ability to learn new concepts is what matters. JC and Pike are getting the exact same coaching.

Yes and no. You can't lead a horse to water blah blah blah, I get that. But at his young age if Chud and Ron take this kid under their wings they can help him want to make the changes and be better.

I know when I was younger I had a stubborn streak and I had a couple guys come along in my life that made me want to take a look at myself and be better. They didnt force it, it was just their presence and things they said, how they said them, how I saw them act etc.

So yes he has to want to become the best himself, but don't discount the impact coaching can have on this kid personally.

[Highlandfire]

So i was trying to give you some feedback so you don't come off as convoluted and totally off the wall. Obviously you didn't appreciate it and want to go on a middle school rant. So be it. How about taking your own advice and if you don't want people telling you what to say, give others the same courtesy. Is is always hilarious to me to see posts like yours where you rant about people telling you what to post and then within 2 sentences you tell them what to post or not to do. Once again another example of convoluted and hypocritical posting.

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[ChinaPanther]

Dual threat QB's can be successful in the NFL. Mcnabb, Vick are examples. Last year in the SEC, Cam was capable of completing throws I would call intermediate throws which are throws that are 15 to 20 yards down the field. He needs to continue doing that especially with this offense because that is what the passing game is based upon in this offense. We've got some pretty good weapons around him that will enable him to possibly have success early. NFL quarterbacking is about completing intermediate throws that are 15 to 20 yards down the field with linebackers and safeties near by. If he is capable of doing that, Cam will be a d### good QB.

I think Vrabel on NFLN said that the best defense to stop Cam would be a cover 2 shell. If teams do that against us, run the ball with D Will and J Stew and I would bet they would have success against that. We sure do have a bunch of scheme diversity with all the TE's we've picked up or to put it more plainly, we will have an answer for any type of defense a team wants to throw at us. That doesn't mean will be successful but it does give us a pretty good chance to be successful.

[tiger7_88]

King, sorry let me clarify I mean football smarts. I agree completely that scoring well on the wonderlic or whatever means squat. The guy has to be able to have great football smarts and so far I don't see it in anything he has done.

You don't carry a team on your back and go 14-0 in the SEC and win the SEC Championship Game and win the BCS Championship Game without some football smarts. Just because YOU choose to ignore the obvious doesn't make what you say true.

One read, and run that isn't going to cut it in the NFL.

And here is where you REALLY show your ignorance. The Auburn offense was not a one read and run offense. The fact that you believe it to be so just shows that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Auburn had a receiver with 52 catches (Adams, now on the Carolina squad), another with 43 catches, and another with 33 catches. Nicely spread around for a "one read offense" eh? Darn, the SEC defenses must really suck for Cam to have spread so many passes around to different receivers.

Cam had two games last year where he didn't have a single rush. Kind of difficult to do with the old "one read and run".

As for as accuracy that may be the #1 knock on Cam so far esp after the combine episode.

Cam Newton was one of the most accurate passers in the NCAA last year. He ended the year with the highest QB rating in college football.

Completing 2/3 of your passes for over four times as many TD's as interceptions is the very OPPOSITE of inaccurate.

And again for all that missed it, I am giving the kid a clean slate.

Wrong. Your every comment in this thread proves that there is no "clean slate" that exists with you. If there were, you wouldn't even be mentioning it. You're just trying to get "credit" just in case Cam proves you to be as ignorant as you sound. But, by continuing to harp on the fallacies in which you believe, if Cam DOES struggle, you have set the stage so you can come back with the big I-TOLD-YOU-SO.

In other words, this post of yours is all about wanting to have it both ways. What a courageous stand you are taking.

[lightsout]

I have made no bones about it, I hate the pick. 99.9% of the time dual threat QB's out of college do not make it in the NFL. Steve young was not a dual threat, he even got pissed last year when talking about newton. He said he was a passer first and foremost and the fact remains the NFL will NEVER change to the point pure passing isnt what a QB has to do.

Make 3-5-7 step drops, read the defense, deliver the ball on time and on target, and be a leader. That will always be THE thing an NFL QB has to do. Can Cam do it...I don't know. Great athlete, no question, pretty strong arm so physically he is there, but can he make the change? His interview with Gruden really concerned me as for as his football mind goes.

All that said, he is a Panther now. I support the team first and foremost. I do not have to support individual players esp if they are hurting the team, that is just how it is, BUT I am giving Cam a clean slate and getting behind the kid. I am hoping and praying Chud can work some Andy Reid Mojo and we end up with a really good QB that will get us where we want to go. I do feel JR and Rivera have the plan to build a good team around him which is paramount.

I know I will get ripped for this thread but oh well. I will finish with, I feel this team can make the playoffs this year. I see 9-7 as a real possibility which might get us a wildcard. If not then from last year to 9-7 is HUGE and puts us one more off-season from taking the fuging division title back that is rightfully ours!! So here is to a good season!

A few comments:

99.9% of the time dual threat QB's out of college do not make it in the NFL.: But how do we know that this is due to the fact that they are dual-threat QBs? There are many variables. I do not think you can make a causation of dual-threat QBs not working out because they are dual-threat QBs.

Make 3-5-7 step drops, read the defense, deliver the ball on time and on target, and be a leader. That will always be THE thing an NFL QB has to do. Can Cam do it...I don't know. From what I saw in the snippets yesterday of practice, his drops look good. Footwork is good. Good mechanics throwing-wise. I saw him every game last season. He can throw on target and on time. Very few picks against the SEC, which says a LOT. Can Cam do it? Absolutely. Will he? Time will tell.

His interview with Gruden really concerned me as for as his football mind goes. There is a reason Gruden is no longer a coach....just saying. He is smarter than a lot of people give him credit for. To say "spread is spread" is stupid. Yeah, he ran the spread at Blinn College. Yeah, he ran the spread at Auburn. But they're still two different offenses in what they run, timing, speed, terminology, everything. He had to learn on the fly at both schools, and he won championships at both schools. His football mind, I am willing to bet, probably surpasses yours and mine.

Just my 2 cents.

[jtnc]

Here we go with this poo again.