Did Hurney do a good job in FA?

[2jakefansinva]

I'm convinced some people just like to bitch.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Great job so far except for that freaky Mare signing. There are still a million great free agents out there though, things are supposed to heat up even more this weekend around the league.

[PrimeTyme]

we still need another DT

[psyburn21]

Its too early to say whether he did or not. I'd rather wait and see the on-field production first before commenting there. As for the why hasn't he addressed the CB and DT positions with big signings, I have a question for everyone. Do you think its possible that he and Coach Rivera didn't value the players on the market as much as some of you? Also, do you think its possible that they couldn't attract a top tier FA from those two positions to Carolina based off of last year's record? Personally, I think that both of those scenarios were at work here.

[unicar15]

Market dictates price and there was a pretty big market for a 25 year old pass rusher who in his first year had 12 sacks. IDT the deal for Johnson is a bad one at all if he continues to work hard and doesn't lose his motor (that's what makes him special).

[MHS831]

I'm convinced some people just like to bitch.

Isn't this bitching? DA

[rayzor]

If we still have not addressed DT properly and CB, 2 of our biggest needs coming in, and we had tons of cash to work with, how can anyone said he did a great job? He did a great job retaining our core-something I see as very important. I realize we are not done, and there is still room, but 2 of our biggest needs were not met. We probably do not need role players at those positions. We need quality starters.

I realize we aren't finished, but the question was asked now. With the money he had to work with, he did most of what we expected and what was needed. However, I have heard people with no dog in the fight criticize his spending more than I have heard objective people support it. Nobody knows until the investment returns start pouring in. So if you say he did a great job, I would say, "He spent well over $100 million in guaranteed money retaining 4 players and extending one. Bravo."

We still do not have a quality, starting caliber 3 technique and the NT is on the downslope of his career. Our 4th round draft pick is going to the PUP and our nickel is playing outside. Aside from cuts, most quality CBs are gone. Too soon for optimism, that is all I am saying.

re-signing our core WAS our biggest need and the #1 priority. you don't do that and then you've got even more holes to fill. extending beason was also a huge priority. DT and CB were important to be sure, but nowhere near as important as getting our core re-signed. getting beason extended was a huge benefit that could have waited, but when you think of the morale boost to our leader on defense going into camp knowing that the franchise doesn't take him for granted and sees him as such a valuable player that you make him the richest at his position...that was an incredibly good move.

there are still very solid options there at DT and CB for us to take advantage of and because of cuts there are more to come.

[MHS831]

Market dictates price and there was a pretty big market for a 25 year old pass rusher who in his first year had 12 sacks. IDT the deal for Johnson is a bad one at all if he continues to work hard and doesn't lose his motor (that's what makes him special).

Not only the market, but our situation made the signing important. Do you let Atlanta have a premier pass rusher the same year you draft a QB #1 overall? That is like putting bullets in your enemy's gun. We had to lock down CJ. DW? That is another matter. We did not need him nearly as much as we need quality (not role players, people) CB and DT help.

[GotSwag?]

This has been a really good offseason. Just look at our roster now. Hole at DT, CB, vet QB and RG, but this is a young and very exciting team. Give Cam a year to adjust and then a draft to fill these holes(if not filled this offseason) and watch out.

[MHS831]

there are still very solid options there at DT and CB for us to take advantage of and because of cuts there are more to come.

That is what I am hoping for, and I hope you are right. I suppose when it gets down to it, the core is the priority, but the positions within the core have to be looked at separately. We have no other options at LDE, WLB, and maybe even SLB. But we did at RB. I would have offered him a fair market contract with a hometown discount. I think the DW deal was "Jakish"

We don't just need role players at CB and DT, we need starting-quality players. Maybe they have a plan, but the question was asked now. As of now, the jury is still out.

And for those who think an alternative opinion to your own is "bitching", I am a big DW fan, I have a signed authentic DW jersey--but I am looking at this from the business side. There is no way the move was not questionable.

[Jangler]

Isn't this bitching? DA

Nah, just stating a fact. :auto:

[rayzor]

Its too early to say whether he did or not. I'd rather wait and see the on-field production first before commenting there. As for the why hasn't he addressed the CB and DT positions with big signings, I have a question for everyone. Do you think its possible that he and Coach Rivera didn't value the players on the market as much as some of you? Also, do you think its possible that they couldn't attract a top tier FA from those two positions to Carolina based off of last year's record? Personally, I think that both of those scenarios were at work here.

very true.

we were looking for some big name, hyped up guy. rivera and mcdermott may have a clue or two about what they want and feel comfortable that there are good options still out there.

with CB, there isn't a whole lot of separation between the options that are out there. joseph got paid a whole lot more than i thought he was going to get paid. i would rather have spent big money re-signing our guys than beating what the texans ultimately paid for him. aso wanted a bigger stage to play on. no chance that was going to be here. we'll be fine with the other options. it's not like we need a #1CB. we need a #2 and the guys available can handle that role just fine.

at NT...we needed someone who could stuff the run. pass rush would be nice and the numbers would look pretty and all, but the key thing was plugging up that hole and we got someone who can do that, more than that we got someone who is durable. with the number of DTs they have on the roster, it makes sense for them to go a few days at training camp to see if one of them will be able to handle the job, which is what i think they are doing. if not, then there will be guys becoming available. they might not have big names and tons of stats under their name, but if they can keep RBs from blowing through to the second level and open things up for the DEs and LBs, then i'm fine.

that last point you made is huge....when you are coming out of a 2-14 season and you don't have this reputation for being great, you need to spend cash...a lot of it. when you don't have a big stage to play from and a lot of hype always around your franchise, then you are going to have to use other incentives to bring in talent. and when your best players hit FA and they just happen to be the best in FA at their position, you are going to have to get in bidding wars to keep them. thankfully we had the cap space to retain them all. it wasn't pretty, but we did what we had to to not just make this team better, but keep it from falling apart again.

[GotSwag?]

The Redskins always overpay. Same goes for the Raiders. Look at the clusterf**k the Cowboys put themselves in this year. The Panthers have always pushed right up to the line, year after year. And yet most of the time don't get into any trouble. (Delhomme and Peppers oooopps) not worried.

Exactly. Just amazes me some of this fanbase went from bored to excited, while others still whine and complain about something.

[pantherclaw]

Charles johnson is not over paid. Thanks for tellling me you don't under the market of the nfl.

Charles johnson was the best free agent defensive end available. No other defensive end available, is close. He is a premier pass rusher, whether you want to admiit that or not. That position dictates the money he got. Be happy it wasn't a 90 million dollar contract....then you might have had an arguement.

Anybody who thinks this free agency was a knee jerk reaction, should stop posting. We don't need any more stupidity on the huddle. Way to much as it is.

Panthers had their plan. They executed it. Of course we've spent more money...we had more money to spend than anyone else. We locked up our core guys (which all deserved to be), and added some weapons to our offense. A very good free agency for the team. Went like I expected it, with the exception of kasay, and the olsen trade. I understand the kasay move. I didn't think olsen would become available. We stole him from the bears.

Don't worry about how these contracts will affectthe team in the future, hurney is considered one of the best for a reason.