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Panthers Defense Needs An Answer...

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The fact that Turner had 376 carries with the box being stacked heavily against him most of the time and still maintained a 4.5 average was GREAT.

no, the fact he had 376 carries was just an extension of what the coaches called for him.

the 4.5 ypc, like i said above, is misleading and shouldn't be used as a barometer for well, um, anything, in regards to turner. i mean hell statistically this shouldn't be hard for anyone to understand. 21% of his yards came against two teams, vs 13% of his season carries i mean jesus christ how do none of you know how statistics work.

He also took quite alot of load off Matt Ryan which REALLY helped him develop,

doesn't make him an above average running back. LARON MCCLAIN TOOK THE PRESSURE OFF JOE FLACCO ALL STAR RUNNING BACK

not to mention how questionable there O line was coming into the season and how great they looked coming out of it.

this is not true. Atlanta has had a very good talent on their offensive line for years.

Comparing his game logs sure he beat up on alot of bad teams...but that is EXPECTED.

Even look at Deangelo Williams the teams that he ran for 4.5ypc and over were...Chargers, Chiefs, Cards, Raiders, Lions, Falcons, Bucs, Broncos, Giants and Saints.

who's talking about deangelo williams

Give me ONE great run D out of those teams besides of course the Giants in which that was a helluva game.

tampa was the number 1 run defense in the league before they came in against carolina you dumbass

My point is that is usually how the NFL goes. Also next time PLEASE don't criticize the mans pass blocking if you truly don't know what your talking about...he did a pretty damn good job doing that last year.

yeah that must be why he was taken out on third down passing plays. i wish their was a statistic about running backs blocking, because this is just going to turn into a 'NUH UH I WATCHED MORE GAMES HE IS AWESOME."

Just wanted to clarify that I am in no way bashing Dwill, he had a great season and is a helluva running back and IMO he is better than Turner but it no way is Turner just another "average" back.

nowhere in your argument did you address the inconsistencies i pointed out with turner's ypc. your transparent, juvenile argument "he beat up on bad teams" doesn't address the fact he vanished against bad ones as well, like chicago, new orleans and carolina. it also doesn't change the fact that in the second half of the year, ryan was carrying the team, not the other way around, and teams began narrowing in on the QB. this is why they still were competitive despite the turner's disappearing act in 3 of the last 5.

really turner is just another average back who was given a ridiculous workload and did what any back would do in that circumstance; ran at an average clip with the exception of a few historically sh*tty teams anyone could (and did all season) run over.

i can't wait until his knee explodes next year in the preseason, because he's just another in a long line of falcons players that their inbred fans go out of their way to overrate.

if any panther fan wants to have fun in a conversation with a falcons fan, you can criticize any "accomplishment" of a player on the team as long as you qualify it by saying it was because of a player better than him.

For example, he will not argue with me that by the end of the year any success turner had was due to defenses keying in on ryan. Ryan is at the top of the pack, and any problem he has will not be his fault, as evidenced by years of vick apologism even as he was throwing five yard bullets into the turf.

if i were to point out, and rightly so, that much of turner's "success" came from the fact that there were numerous high draft picks on the line and one of the best fullbacks in the game taking care of a linebacker for him, the falcon fan would start to vomit on himself while he tried to formulate something whittier than "you sir, are a moron" while clawing his way through espn.com, trying to find facts to validate his stupid opinions instead of the other way around.

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no, the fact he had 376 carries was just an extension of what the coaches called for him.

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if i were to point out, and rightly so, that much of turner's "success" came from the fact that there were numerous high draft picks on the line and one of the best fullbacks in the game taking care of a linebacker for him, the falcon fan would start to vomit on himself while he tried to formulate something whittier than "you sir, are a moron" while clawing his way through espn.com, trying to find facts to validate his stupid opinions instead of the other way around.

Good God you're dumb, and your incorrect assertions are indicative of your weak grasp of the statistics you so love to link to. It helps to understand them before you try to use them for support. Stay in school kid, stay in school.

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no, the fact he had 376 carries was just an extension of what the coaches called for him.

the 4.5 ypc, like i said above, is misleading and shouldn't be used as a barometer for well, um, anything, in regards to turner. i mean hell statistically this shouldn't be hard for anyone to understand. 21% of his yards came against two teams, vs 13% of his season carries i mean jesus christ how do none of you know how statistics work.

You really are clueless....4.5ypc and 1700 yards is NOT misleading. No matter how you look at it that is a good year...who the *** cares if he ran for 1600 in the first 8 games and 100 in the last 8. 1700 yards 4.5ypc and 17 tds..now FIND me another AVERAGE back that puts up those numbers PLEASE. Hell Larry Johnson had 1800 yards on OVER 400 attempts back in 06 and only 4.3 a carry, now was he only an avg back that year? Clinton Portis this year had almost 350 carries(little over 20 less carries than Turner) 200 less yards and only a 4.3 average. By your standards Clinton Portis was a very average back and wait...he ran all over bad teams and disappeared against good ones...AND disappeared during the last half of the season!

doesn't make him an above average running back. LARON MCCLAIN TOOK THE PRESSURE OFF JOE FLACCO ALL STAR RUNNING BACK

Im sorry did LE'RON McClain rush for 1700 yards and assist in turning a franchise around? PS Who's taking about Le'Ron McClain?!?

this is not true. Atlanta has had a very good talent on their offensive line for years.

Once again that is wrong the line had issues last year...every quarterback took a beating and they were 26th in rushing.

who's talking about deangelo williams

Making simple comparisons if your childish intellect cannot handle that than I am truly sorry.

tampa was the number 1 run defense in the league before they came in against carolina you dumbass

Their defense fell apart horribly...they finished 19th in the league and even Micheal Bush and the RAIDERS ran all over them, Bush alone had 177.

yeah that must be why he was taken out on third down passing plays. i wish their was a statistic about running backs blocking, because this is just going to turn into a 'NUH UH I WATCHED MORE GAMES HE IS AWESOME."

nowhere in your argument did you address the inconsistencies i pointed out with turner's ypc. your transparent, juvenile argument "he beat up on bad teams" doesn't address the fact he vanished against bad ones as well, like chicago, new orleans and carolina. it also doesn't change the fact that in the second half of the year, ryan was carrying the team, not the other way around, and teams began narrowing in on the QB. this is why they still were competitive despite the turner's disappearing act in 3 of the last 5.

The inconsistencies that your pointing out is called playing good defenses. Chicago ranked 5th against the run, NO terrible run D but managed to hold the best in the game Adrian Peterson to 1.5ypc on 21 attempts...so maybe they have something there. Carolina..he rushed for 4.9 120 yards and 4 tds in his "disappearing" last half of the season. He also rushed for over 900 yards during the last half of the season so your statement of well Ryan was carrying the team during the last half is completely FALSE

really turner is just another average back who was given a ridiculous workload and did what any back would do in that circumstance; ran at an average clip with the exception of a few historically sh*tty teams anyone could (and did all season) run over.

It doesn't matter how many carries they gave him...he was PRODUCTIVE and NO ONE can argue that he didn't assist greatly in turning that team around. The reason you don't see many backs getting 350+ carries a year is because they cannot handle it.

i can't wait until his knee explodes next year in the preseason, because he's just another in a long line of falcons players that their inbred fans go out of their way to overrate.

Wow wishing he blows how his knee?? No matter how much you hate the guy that's just immature and childish.

if any panther fan wants to have fun in a conversation with a falcons fan, you can criticize any "accomplishment" of a player on the team as long as you qualify it by saying it was because of a player better than him.

For example, he will not argue with me that by the end of the year any success turner had was due to defenses keying in on ryan. Ryan is at the top of the pack, and any problem he has will not be his fault, as evidenced by years of vick apologism even as he was throwing five yard bullets into the turf.

if i were to point out, and rightly so, that much of turner's "success" came from the fact that there were numerous high draft picks on the line and one of the best fullbacks in the game taking care of a linebacker for him, the falcon fan would start to vomit on himself while he tried to formulate something whittier than "you sir, are a moron" while clawing his way through espn.com, trying to find facts to validate his stupid opinions instead of the other way around.

Numerous high draft picks on the line?Other than Sam Baker and Blaylock a first and a second round on the left side...the center was 7th round pick and the right side was undrafted. Than again arguably the best line in football (Giants) has NO first rounders on it. So high draft picks on the line doesn't always translate into a good line.

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Numerous high draft picks on the line?Other than Sam Baker and Blaylock a first and a second round on the left side...the center was 7th round pick and the right side was undrafted. Than again arguably the best line in football (Giants) has NO first rounders on it. So high draft picks on the line doesn't always translate into a good line.

Nice fact based response to another of Fiz's incorrect, self congratulatory ramblings...but can you quote Chomsky?!!??!!?!111

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