Lets sit down indian style and talk about jimmy clausen

[CRA]

Not going to say Jimmy is good....but we do not know. 90% of last year's team was better than what happened.

Hope he is very good and Cam is great. Jimmy would make good trade value. In everyone's best interest to pull for Jimmy....he needs to give Cam a run for his money too.....

it isn't in the Panthers best interest for someone that was THAT bad....to be considered the guy to push your future starter.

[teeray]

I was speaking about his college career

Why are we talking about about college stats?? Somebody get Graham Harrell on the phone.

[CRA]

Why are we talking about about college stats?? Somebody get Graham Harrell on the phone.

it is just one of many reasons that confirms why Jimmy was historically bad.

[MaineManPanther]

b/c there was a HEAVY emphasis on screens, dinking and dunking and getting the ball out quickly to his first read.......again, in a video that was on Panther.com after he was being questioned on his cra mechanics he acknowledged Weis didn't see a need to correct it b/c he was basically going to be asked to do things that would make it a non issue.

yes, he did go downfield......and in college he could get away with bailing on plays (make his OL look worse than it was) and doing his slow painful scramble to the left.....and it often resulted in big plays downfield against crap competition.

and yes, if a guy plays tough against tough competition that is a good thing.....if a QB never wins legit games....not a single one on the resume....then that is a very bad thing.

There was use of them, but nowhere near enough to consider it a west coast offense or dink and dunk. They didn't do it nearly as much as you suggest and not nearly enough to mistake it for said offenses.

He through it vertically, because Weiss favored those plays. The vast majority of them were by design.

If the reason is they lost is because of him or he didn't do enough sure. But if he isn't the reason they lost, and he contributed heavily in a positive manner then little blame should be placed on him. If he's not to blame then why blame him

[CRA]

There was use of them, but nowhere near enough to consider it a west coast offense or dink and dunk. They didn't do it nearly as much as you suggest and not nearly enough to mistake it for said offenses.

He through it vertically, because Weiss favored those plays. The vast majority of them were by design.

If the reason is they lost is because of him or he didn't do enough sure. But if he isn't the reason they lost, and he contributed heavily in a positive manner then little blame should be placed on him. If he's not to blame then why blame him

there was a heavy emphasis and Weis had no choice b/c of Clausen. I would suggest you go back and watch some more of Clausen at ND.....Weiss had incorporate a lot of WC principles.

Clausen played the game almsot as a mirror image in Carolina as he did at ND.....only a large percentage of what Clausen got away with ain't gonna work at this level.

[MaineManPanther]

there was a heavy emphasis and Weis had no choice b/c of Clausen. I would suggest you go back and watch some more of Clausen at ND.....Weiss had incorporate a lot of WC principles.

Clausen played the game almsot as a mirror image in Carolina as he did at ND.....only a large percentage of what Clausen got away with ain't gonna work at this level.

Of course he had a choice, Clausen proved that in 2009 when all the offense did was draw up vertical plays. In fact Clausen was good enough at it that Weiss relied on it to much in 09, they had no consistent short game happening that year. They only started balancing it with the short game in 2010, but again as a balance not heavy emphasis.

[MaineManPanther]

Why are we talking about about college stats?? Somebody get Graham Harrell on the phone.

Why the comparison to Harrell? I'm not speaking about how college stats translate to the Nfl. But judging one college career.

[CRA]

There was use of them, but nowhere near enough to consider it a west coast offense or dink and dunk. They didn't do it nearly as much as you suggest and not nearly enough to mistake it for said offenses.

He through it vertically, because Weiss favored those plays. The vast majority of them were by design.

Clausen's signature win was against Hawaii.

10 of his 22 completions were designed screen plays. What would you consider a lot? 22

[Matthias]

If Clausen stumps his toe during training camp, Cam Newton will get the starting nod.

[MaineManPanther]

Clausen's signature win was against Hawaii.

10 of his 22 completions were designed screen plays. What would you consider a lot? 22

What are you getting at? Were talking about a whole college career.

[MaineManPanther]

As I posted before from Clashmore Mike.

the big play offense under Weis with Clausen, et. al. is that it wasn’t screens and short passes with big run-after-catch yardage added on—Weis didn’t run a West Coast offense or a screen-heavy spread offense by any stretch.

[TheRealDeal]

Why are we talking about about college stats?? Somebody get Cam Newton on the phone.

Fixed

[CRA]

What are you getting at? Were talking about a whole college career.

Well first, what do you think about The Hawaii game for example....

What I was getting at were the facts of how he played in college. He beat scrubs with Weiss putting an emphasis on screens, quick releases and Clausen throwing at routes at or directed toward the sideine......that is why what occurred last year should of been no surprise. He played just like he did in college.

[Vampire the buffet slayer]

Clausen's signature win was against Hawaii.

10 of his 22 completions were designed screen plays. What would you consider a lot? 22

Which blows my mind cus he couldnt get a screen to smith to save his life....or career which ever you prefer.