the ultimate hypothetical thread

[rayzor]

I agree with you that the Dline as of now is priority #1, but I think QB is a very close #2. And getting back to the origins of this thread, Peppers for Cutler, I think it would be a no-brainier IMO.

how would that fix our defense? how would the needs we have be met?

you are asking for another broncos or saints by doing this.

i don't know how you feel but that isn't something that i want. i want this team to have a shot.

you neglect the needs that we have on defense and that is exactly what you are going to get, a team with no shot at a superbowl.

[HSCBandit07]

because jake delhomme is a leader and cutler is a cancer to the broncos. Why do you think they would get rid of him in the first place otherwise?

[jramsey4]

wouldn't have to have a miraculous recovery or miraculous comebacks if we had a defense that could shut the other teams offense down.

plug the holes first.

deal with QB when there are significantly better options available.

You have to be blind if you don't think QB is a hole on this team. I agree that there is not much talent in FA or the draft this year, I was talking about Cutler (even though he will never be traded). What this team should do is bring in a guy to compete, and let all 4 (Jake, Moore, Mccown, and whoever) compete for the starting job. Even if Jake turns out to be the best at least he will go into the season knowing that the position will not just be given to him and that if he doesn't produce he will ride the bench. But seeing as the FO is madly in love with the guy I don't see it happening.

[rayzor]

i never said that QB wasn't a weak spot, especially long term. it just isn't the pressing and immediate need that we have on defense.

a good defense is going to make the most modest of offenses winning offenses and, yes, champion offenses. you won't do much but you don't have to do much.

a bad defense will force the offense to work too hard. i want an offense that can produce high scores but i don't want them to be forced to do it.

take care of the defense and you will be taking care of the offense by making you able to win more with what you have.

[saladdodger]

Some folks faith in Cutler is disturbing. He's 17-20 as a starter and has thrown more whiny hissy fits than passes in playoff games (having played in precisely zero). And people want to trade the possible equivalent of 2 first round picks for him? No thanks.

[Nu Guns]

let me say this again.

there are no franchise QBs available.

Its part of our front office's job to make them available! :mad5:

Cutler is unhappy, Mcnabb is unhappy.

Make an offer for Arron Rodgers.

OR we could have brought in Kitna to compete with Jake.

Worse case scenerio bring in Chris Simms to bring heat on Jake.

Chris has a good arm and is talented. Chris never got a fair shake in Tampa.

Warner and Garcia is an upgrade, but they are not long term so I dont want them.

[jramsey4]

how would that fix our defense? how would the needs we have be met?

you are asking for another broncos or saints by doing this.

i don't know how you feel but that isn't something that i want. i want this team to have a shot.

you neglect the needs that we have on defense and that is exactly what you are going to get, a team with no shot at a superbowl.

Not necessarily, even minus Peppers our D has a a lot better talent then either the Saints or the Broncos. And now that we have a new D-coordinator I believe our D will once again be in the top half of the league even if no new talent is added.

And if we do trade Pep for Cutler it would free up enough cap to upgrade the D (assuming we will extend Cutlers contract next year). So its the best of both worlds.

Once again I think there is almost no chance at this but considering the title of this thread is "the ultimate hypothetical thread". I'm just putting it out there.

[Fox007]

because jake delhomme is a leader and cutler is a cancer to the broncos. Why do you think they would get rid of him in the first place otherwise?

Man that's a tough one, but I'm sure that a new coach and GM has NOTHING to do with it.

Ya know, a new staff that didn't draft him.

Call me crazy though.

[rayzor]

chris simms, really?

please think higher (and make sure that he at least has all his internal organs).

no more bottom of the barrel.

he can't beat out kerry frikkin collins and couldn't even be let in the door to compete with a backup QB who had never really started a game since high school.

why? because he just wasn't that good.

[Fireball77]

How do you figure a guy in his Mid-20's played better with less talent then a guy in his Mid-30's with an all-pro running game, one of the best OLines, and IMO the best WR. Not to mention Jake was on a run first team and Cutler was on a 6 starting RB's on IR team.

I forgot...Marshall sucks and so do Scheffler, Royal and Stokely.

Jake had his best statistical year also and threw one more TD and 3 fewer INTS than Cutler did last year in 2004 when they had their worst defense and 14 guys on IR, most on offense including his best WR and two best RBs and half their OL and they were playing from behind all the time or the D was losing leads. He sure in hell didn't have the OL in 2004 Cutler did last year either. And the team's records were similar...8-8 vs 7-9. All this does is show why a prolific QB doesn't mean that much if you don't have the defense...and they don't and neither did Denver.

[jramsey4]

chris simms, really?

please think higher (and make sure that he at least has all his internal organs).

no more bottom of the barrel.

he can't beat out kerry frikkin collins and couldn't even be let in the door to compete with a backup QB who had never really started a game since high school.

why? because he just wasn't that good.

And yet we have a undrafted QB starting who couldn't beat out A. Brooks and a undrafted QB that most people think is the future that couldn't even make the Cowboys roster two years ago.

Point is you never know how a QB will preform until you give them a shot.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Its part of our front office's job to make them available! :mad5:

Cutler is unhappy, Mcnabb is unhappy.

Make an offer for Arron Rodgers.

OR we could have brought in Kitna to compete with Jake.

Worse case scenerio bring in Chris Simms to bring heat on Jake.

Chris has a good arm and is talented. Chris never got a fair shake in Tampa.

Warner and Garcia is an upgrade, but they are not long term so I dont want them.

I don’t see Kitna or Simms being improvements over Jake. You could argue that they would at least provide some competition for the starting spot, but that could be said of McCown and Moore.

It all comes down to whether Fox wants to entertain the idea of another player at that spot. I just don’t see Fox bringing anyone on to really challenge Jake for the starting job.

I guess you could make the argument that he did that very thing with Carr, but I think he was brought in more for depth than to challenge Jake for the job. Now, Jake might have thought differently. Perhaps that did inspire him to that stellar start in 2007, though.

Bottom line: We don’t have the coach or cap space that will bring on a quarterback like Cutler or McNabb. Other, less expensive quarterbacks—like Kitna or Simms, for example—just aren’t upgrades over Jake anyway, and perhaps not even much more of an upgrade over McCown.

[jramsey4]

I forgot...Marshall sucks and so do Scheffler, Royal and Stokely.

Jake had his best statistical year also and threw one more TD and 3 fewer INTS than Cutler did last year in 2004 when they had their worst defense and 14 guys on IR, most on offense including his best WR and two best RBs and half their OL and they were playing from behind all the time or the D was losing leads. He sure in hell didn't have the OL in 2004 Cutler did last year either. And the team's records were similar...8-8 vs 7-9. All this does is show why a prolific QB doesn't mean that much if you don't have the defense...and they don't and neither did Denver.

Are you seriously comparing a QB from 4 years ago (pre-surgery) to a player from last year? And as far as talent I was referring to Jake barely having to throw the ball at all because of our running game, to Cutler being on a team that had 6 RB on IR. Which offense would you rather be QB on?

[rayzor]

Not necessarily, even minus Peppers our D has a a lot better talent then either the Saints or the Broncos. And now that we have a new D-coordinator I believe our D will once again be in the top half of the league even if no new talent is added.

And if we do trade Pep for Cutler it would free up enough cap to upgrade the D (assuming we will extend Cutlers contract next year). So its the best of both worlds.

Once again I think there is almost no chance at this but considering the title of this thread is "the ultimate hypothetical thread". I'm just putting it out there.

understood. i'm just saying that it would be a mistake if it did happen. this scenario has too many problems that would accompany it.

you get us a top tier QB that commands, deserves, and receives the respect of the team and i'm all for it. there are none available (and cutler wouldn't fit that bill if he was available).

the 17/89 connection can get us through until we find that QB. it could be, though, that the answer is already on our roster. in lieu of chasing after hopes and dreams i'm going to be content with a "wait and see" approach

with our QBs and hope that our defense can be solidified.

once we have that suffocating defense in place, then we can turn our attention towards replacing jake.