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The Official Lockout is over thread/ Done Deal!

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carolinarolls Newbie

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Typically in negotiations both sides get to see a final draft of any documents. If a party pulled the crap the owners pulled during a negotiations I would walk away as well.

It would be like buying a car and the salesman handing a contract that you had not seen and acting surprised when you didn't sign it. Basic business etiquette.

It sounds ridiculous because it is. And it did not happen. Don't eat the sheep feed. After all the court dates, and arbitration do you really think the owners did a bait and switch? C'mon already. This is not a rainbow vacuum deal where you did not receive your free shampoo attachment, this is a highly publicized media bonanza with a national audience who is concerned more about the fate of the upcoming season than our nation plummeting into a downgraded credit rating in the coming weeks.

the players are doing what they can to save face and gain a little public opinion back. they are only given bits of information and don't understand the majority of the talking points outside of how it might effect them and theirs. And they have the built in excuse to plead ignorance if they are ever called to the carpet for their tweets, status updates, and sound bites.

the only reason you are hearing all this from players now is because the majority of them are just hearing/seeing the deal for the first time. WHY? Because now it is time to vote on it.

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Happy Panther Grand Master

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If I buy a car, and the dollar amount changes, I'll walk away.

But the economics on this deal have been done for a week (as reported from BOTH sides).

If I buy a car, and they have some fine print about future service claims at the end of the car's life, if the price is right, I won't give a poo. I would give an even less poo if that signing the contract for that car will ensure I get paid to do my job.

Every item in the contract would have been discussed for hours if not days. Adding anything new means the players would have to review it.

The CBA itself is likely thousands of pages

The owners knew this and the comments were so unified and immediate after the deal that there is no doubt it was all scripted. "Baffled" that the players didn't sign it.

lol no you weren't Jerry

Gamesmanship that nobody but you are falling for.

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Jase Apprentice

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before last night, I was maybe 65% on the side of the players.

until they pulled the, "this proposed CBA is a trick! we haven't seen it, but we know it's a trick! Actually, we're reading it and it seems fair, but it's still a trick!" routine.

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carolinarolls Newbie

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Every item in the contract would have been discussed for hours if not days. Adding anything new means the players would have to review it.

The CBA itself is likely thousands of pages

The owners knew this and the comments were so unified and immediate after the deal that there is no doubt it was all scripted. "Baffled" that the players didn't sign it.

lol no you weren't Jerry

Gamesmanship that nobody but you are falling for.

Nothing was scripted by the owners. A schism between the players and their reps is forming. I am not sure what tin can you kick during the work week but these guys do not spend months coordinating their schedules and jetting around the country for hours of tedious negotiations the results of which are more scrutinized than the presidential debates only to change the package minutes before submitting it to a vote.

If you believe that happened I am sorry but you are presenting yourself as very naive and possibly quite stupid.

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Typically in negotiations both sides get to see a final draft of any documents. If a party pulled the crap the owners pulled during a negotiations I would walk away as well.

It would be like buying a car and the salesman handing a contract that you had not seen and acting surprised when you didn't sign it. Basic business etiquette.

Per my understanding it’s more like the sales man and I haggled on the contract terms back and forth, then we made a handshake agreement and agreed on it. The salesman then puts it on paper and validates it with his dealership. Then when giving me the agreement there was paper work in there about how the dealership plans to split the commission they made among themselves.

Meanwhile before I got the agreement to sign, I was discussing the decision with my family to get their authorization when we all started talking about how the dealership tricked me with the contract and added terms to a contract I have yet to see. I did the negotiation I should be able to sell the plan to my family… apparently I am not communicating well to them and just igniting their misguided words even more.

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Happy Panther Grand Master

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Wide receiver Donté Stallworth, who did an on-air interview with ESPN on Friday, pleaded for fan support. "Fans PLEASE understand we received the deal late last night," he said via Twitter. "Stayed up late & up early today reviewing 200+ pages... We are on top of it!!!

200 pages is not something you just skim and sign off upon.

I don't know if that would be the entire agreement or just the new stuff but I'm guessing the whole thing is thousands of pages.

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