NBA = STUPID. CBA Negotiations On Hold Until August

[SOJA]

I know ther has been a lot of "inside sources" lately on the huddle, but I legit heard from a good friend of Chris Paul that chris said there is no chance the NBA has a season next year. Take it for what it's worth, but I promise I'm not lying or an attention *****, cough salty, cough.

[carpanfan96]

There isn't going to be a season at all. The owners want a Hard cap set to around 42-45 million. That would mean a team like Miami would have to release one of the Big 3 to make it work.

That comes out to the league saving about 750 million dollars a season on player salary.

It would pretty much mean that a player like Lebron or Bryant, who make around 20+ million now would make around 13 - 15 a season in this new proposal. (I use those numbers because at 45 million, it would be almost impossible to pay one player 20 million and have enough cap to pay 14 other players).

So yea, unless the players agree to take a cut of 750 million a season and not the last NBAPA that saved the league 750 million over 5 or 6 years. It's just not going to happen.

Yes that is seven hundred and fifty million dollars a season. The NBA as a league wants to make sure they are at least pulling in 200 million a season in operating profits.

I agree with the owners in this one though, the league is losing money. The players make way....way too much money. Their salaries should be cut by 750 million a season, there isn't a player in the NBA that is worth paying 20+ million a season for.

[pantherfan49]

There isn't going to be a season at all. The owners want a Hard cap set to around 42-45 million. That would mean a team like Miami would have to release one of the Big 3 to make it work.

That comes out to the league saving about 750 million dollars a season on player salary.

It would pretty much mean that a player like Lebron or Bryant, who make around 20+ million now would make around 13 - 15 a season in this new proposal. (I use those numbers because at 45 million, it would be almost impossible to pay one player 20 million and have enough cap to pay 14 other players).

So yea, unless the players agree to take a cut of 750 million a season and not the last NBAPA that saved the league 750 million over 5 or 6 years. It's just not going to happen.

Yes that is seven hundred and fifty million dollars a season. The NBA as a league wants to make sure they are at least pulling in 200 million a season in operating profits.

I agree with the owners in this one though, the league is losing money. The players make way....way too much money. Their salaries should be cut by 750 million a season, there isn't a player in the NBA that is worth paying 20+ million a season for.

Which is only 7 mil a year per team. Basically Gana Giop makes more than many teams.

[King Taharqa]

12 years ago the owners said the players were making too much money and asked them to take a paycut. They did. Here we are 12 years later, and the owners are selling the media and the fans that player paycuts will "save the league" and rectify "parity". Its so bogus. These players are global entities that are proving they dont need the NBA, the NBA needs them. Kobe Bryant is the most popular athlete in China, a country with more people than the US. Nobody pays money to see Cuban, or the Maloofs, or Reinsdorf. They pay to see the stars, and the NBA is a star driven league that relies on TV revenue to stay afloat. No big name stars, no big time TV revenue. If teams arent making money and arent good businesses, maybe they need to fold. Players shouldnt be held accountable for bad GMing. A GM gave Joe Johnson his deal, a GM gave Rashard Lewis his deal. There's just not enough talent to go around and fill up 30 squads and have them be competitive. The owners and Stern got greedy in the 90s and overexpanded the league from the prosperity they experienced from the "Jordan" era and now its time to pay the piper. I repeat again, I would love to see the players organize their own league of about 15 teams thru out the US and take the show on tour. What will the owners say then? The owners need these players not the other way around.

[The Saltman]

This is def not going to end well.

The nba is finished.

[carpanfan96]

12 years ago the owners said the players were making too much money and asked them to take a paycut. They did. Here we are 12 years later, and the owners are selling the media and the fans that player paycuts will "save the league" and rectify "parity". Its so bogus. These players are global entities that are proving they dont need the NBA, the NBA needs them. Kobe Bryant is the most popular athlete in China, a country with more people than the US. Nobody pays money to see Cuban, or the Maloofs, or Reinsdorf. They pay to see the stars, and the NBA is a star driven league that relies on TV revenue to stay afloat. No big name stars, no big time TV revenue. If teams arent making money and arent good businesses, maybe they need to fold. Players shouldnt be held accountable for bad GMing. A GM gave Joe Johnson his deal, a GM gave Rashard Lewis his deal. There's just not enough talent to go around and fill up 30 squads and have them be competitive. The owners and Stern got greedy in the 90s and overexpanded the league from the prosperity they experienced from the "Jordan" era and now its time to pay the piper. I repeat again, I would love to see the players organize their own league of about 15 teams thru out the US and take the show on tour. What will the owners say then? The owners need these players not the other way around.

All sports are star driven leagues, All sports needs the players to be successful, they need stars to drive revenue and so forth. The NBA is no different from the NFL, MLB or NHL. The reason the NBA and MLB are the way they are is because of the way the FA system is set up. It just creates bidding wars for players or situations where the team knows it has to offer a max contract to pick up that player. It's a drive to win a championship, which is also the same in every other league. NBA players are too greedy, You just saw what happened in the NFL...The players and owners took a hit on a few things each for the good of the game. The NHL was in the same spot the NBA is in now and they forced a hard cap, look at the league now. Starting to get it's act back together and that hard cap saved the league. The NBA is next for a hard cap, It needs it to survive and it will get it. The players will have to realize that they will have to take a major pay cut to play ball in the NBA again. The sooner they realize it, the sooner the league can get back to building off a very successful season last year and start making a bigger profit.

The owners have in the NBA have to come down a bit on the Pay cuts, but the lowest they should go is 300-400 million a season. It would have the league with a hard cap in the 54 million dollar range, with a salary floor of 45 million dollars. Which is perfect for the league and would allow for it to continue to strive.

[HeatCheck]

Don't want to post a new thread but here's a video of Kemba Walker on the lockout. He mentions how the lockout has given him time to think about his NCAA run, he's talked to Tyrus, Corey, and DJ, his family has moved to Charlotte, and he has given no thought to overseas basketball.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6782048

[pdandy1994]

if having no season means making a CBA that doesn't favor large markets, I will accept it with open arms

[theyhateme45]

Seriously, I think we should all get the NBA out of heads for awhile. It’s not happening. You really have 3 different groups that have different agendas and motivations in the NBA.

#1) Owners in small market teams – A lot of teams really are not making $$$. Some are selling out, staying under the cap, being competitive but barely breaking even. You own a team, or a business to make money. At this point they have nothing to lose. These owners have said they don’t care if the whole season is gone because they are losing $$$ anyway. They’ll rather wait out the players in force them into their terms. The NBA maybe doing good overall, but it doesn’t trickle down to them, so they NBA losing $$$ or the popularity is irrelevant to them.

#2) Owners in major markets. With the lack of profit sharing these are the guys in the league making all the $$$. They have the most to lose with the NBA missing a season. If a deal happens, it’s going to be this group driving it. They have been reluctant to expand revenue sharing to help out smaller market teams. While some teams are losing money or breaking even, these teams are making enough for most of the NBA.

#3) Players – Some of the players statements – How much $$$ are teams really losing?? It depends on who looks at the financial statements and how they are prepared. I am a auditor and there are multiple ways to present your financial information. Certain methods can make you look better or worst, some methods shows and gives you better tax benefits. So the owners can prepare their financials so it shows more losses (Example: They can use different depreciation methods to show double depreciation. More depreciation means more depreciation expense, less asset on your balance sheet, which makes you financials look worst… Now depreciation of an asset is not really a true measure of how well you are doing, but it can be manipulated to show what you want). And there are much more examples. So it’s hard to really know the true economic conditions of these teams.

Fans- We lose the most! The NBA is coming off of a new high! Why, because players sell and great teams sell, and stories sells. Parity is the worst thing for the fans rather you know it or not. Look back to the 80’s, and 90’s. There were a few great teams, lots of dynasties, and lots of small market trash! But we loved the NBA. Early 2000’s parity… stars spread out… no great exciting teams… Nba could not recover post Jordan. As I said before… Pierce in Boston, KG in Minnesota, Allen in seattle not exciting and no one cares about those teams… together in Boston, huge ratings and people care. You go back to only being able to afford one star per team surrounded by blah the NBA will go right back to the early 200o’s when people would not watch and final ratings where horrible. I love my bobcats… But a system where talent is spread out and the league is full with parity and mediocrity… I am not watching.

[Kakarot]

Yea...no NBA season this year. Already prepared myself for it lol

[Mr ocho nueve]

Was it a coincidence that the NFL and NBA lockout happened both in the same year?

I smell conspiracy.

[JPPT1974]

NBA fans now know what we NFL fans feel. Let's hope for their sake, the players and owners can get it together with the Association. So that NBA fans can see their players playing B-Ball in 2011-2012!

[Proudiddy]

Yeah, I don't see it happening... They are so far apart and dragging their feet way too much. I don't see much changing anytime soon, they're just THAT far apart.

[mav1234]

parity is the worst thing for the fans rather you know it or not. Look back to the 80’s, and 90’s. There were a few great teams, lots of dynasties, and lots of small market trash! But we loved the NBA. Early 2000’s parity… stars spread out… no great exciting teams… Nba could not recover post Jordan. As I said before… Pierce in Boston, KG in Minnesota, Allen in seattle not exciting and no one cares about those teams… together in Boston, huge ratings and people care.

this argument falls flat when you realize that the ratings for 1999-2004 were higher than for 2005-2010, and hell, when you realize that the great Celtics-lakers finals in 2008 and 2010 were actually not even the top ratings games of the 2000s...

parity is good for the game. it'll bring more fans together, because it'll create a more compelling game and bring more fans to the game itself.

now, if you want TV ratings alone, you need compelling stories. that's why 2011 was so special... it had a compelling story. we'll see if the ratings stay that high.