Edwards to Carolina?

[Guest Setfree1012]

again, Fox believed in attack vertically as well most of his career in Carolina. What Chud did in Clev isn't drastically different.....they just went about it slightly differently.

There is a HUGE difference between being a RB and what being physical in terms of being a WR means. Pilares is suited for the dink and dunk of a passing offense......he doesn't do contact well down the field running route, isn't good at adjusting to balls, and isn't good working in traffic. Those are things Smitty thrives in like almost no other little guy I have watched.

also, Hawaii's offense

Chud and Fox's offense slightly different...did you watch any of those Browns games? Better yet have you seen Carolina play? Carolina does not use the HB's, or TE's in the passing game (very rare). When was the last time we ran 4 wide or went empty...? The running game will be similar, but the passing game will be starkly different under Chud involving all of our offensive weapons (not Fox's run, run, PA pass), I also look for Shockey/Barnidge, and Goodson to have nice offensive seasons in the passing game.

And when we drafted Smitty originally did we expect the success he's had...nah I'm not buying that. He turned out to be a stud AND IS MY FAVORITE NFL PLAYER. To limit Pilares to just the slot his entire career is unfair, just like when critics said Smitty was only a punt returner, and was too small to be an elite receiver. Do you not remember Smith's interview before the 2010 season on NFL Network when he said he wanted to "move back" to the slot and have receivers clear out for him. That's what he was for us originally a slot receiver, but then magic happened and he became who we know him as today :D

If I'm not mistaken Smith was also drafted in the 5th round, like Pilares I like the coencidence. Just because a player doesn't do something well out of college doesn't mean that it's not the coaching staff's job to help them become "complete" players. By the way Devon Bess came out of Hawaii's offense and he's been very reliable for Miami, the questionable players from Hawaii IMO are the QB's as a result of their system, but running routes and catching translates much easier.

[CRA]

a what?

although I do hope his size translates into being physical. we'll see..

I can get Jeff Otah to run a 4.1 if I am allowed to run the stop watch.....that is why no one pays those any attention.

[CRA]

Chud and Fox's offense slightly different...did you watch any of those Browns games? Better yet have you seen Carolina play? Carolina does not use the HB's, or TE's in the passing game (very rare). When was the last time we ran 4 wide or went empty...? The running game will be similar, but the passing game will be starkly different under Chud involving all of our offensive weapons (not Fox's run, run, PA pass), I also look for Shockey/Barnidge, and Goodson to have nice offensive seasons in the passing game.

And when we drafted Smitty originally did we expect the success he's had...nah I'm not buying that. He turned out to be a stud AND IS MY FAVORITE NFL PLAYER. To limit Pilares to just the slot his entire career is unfair, just like when critics said Smitty was only a punt returner, and was too small to be an elite receiver. Do you not remember Smith's interview before the 2010 season on NFL Network when he said he wanted to "move back" to the slot and have receivers clear out for him. That's what he was for us originally a slot receiver, but then magic happened and he became who we know him as today :D

If I'm not mistaken Smith was also drafted in the 5th round, like Pilares I like the coencidence. Just because a player doesn't do something well out of college doesn't mean that it's not the coaching staff's job to help them become "complete" players. By the way Devon Bess came out of Hawaii's offense and he's been very reliable for Miami, the questionable players from Hawaii IMO are the QB's as a result of their system, but running routes and catching translates much easier.

twisting my point, both put an emphasis on the vertical attack downfield and as I posted....they go about doing it in different ways. I acknowledged the TE use in Chud's system.

Little difference in regards to RB use.

Chud ran 4 wide about as often as Fox.

Smitty was a 3rd rounder but that doesn't really matter. Carolina struck gold w/ that pick....I can't jump on the bandwagon that they will strike gold to an even more absurd degree to find his replacement. Not w/ a 5th rounder out of Hawaii to be his replacement. Carolina eventually is gonna have to make the effort to find a true stud instead of hoping they can find another Steve Smith.

[Makish]

its funny how you guyz want this guy. don't we have a faster, younger version of him named Gettis

[4Corners]

Chud and Fox's offense slightly different...did you watch any of those Browns games? Better yet have you seen Carolina play? Carolina does not use the HB's, or TE's in the passing game (very rare). When was the last time we ran 4 wide or went empty...? The running game will be similar, but the passing game will be starkly different under Chud involving all of our offensive weapons (not Fox's run, run, PA pass), I also look for Shockey/Barnidge, and Goodson to have nice offensive seasons in the passing game.

And when we drafted Smitty originally did we expect the success he's had...nah I'm not buying that. He turned out to be a stud AND IS MY FAVORITE NFL PLAYER. To limit Pilares to just the slot his entire career is unfair, just like when critics said Smitty was only a punt returner, and was too small to be an elite receiver. Do you not remember Smith's interview before the 2010 season on NFL Network when he said he wanted to "move back" to the slot and have receivers clear out for him. That's what he was for us originally a slot receiver, but then magic happened and he became who we know him as today :D

If I'm not mistaken Smith was also drafted in the 5th round, like Pilares I like the coencidence. Just because a player doesn't do something well out of college doesn't mean that it's not the coaching staff's job to help them become "complete" players. By the way Devon Bess came out of Hawaii's offense and he's been very reliable for Miami, the questionable players from Hawaii IMO are the QB's as a result of their system, but running routes and catching translates much easier.

tl;dr

[Guest Setfree1012]

I can get Jeff Otah to run a 4.1 if I am allowed to run the stop watch.....that is why no one pays those any attention.

Just to clear up the Pilares 40-Time issue, it was 4.42 (after PCL injury).

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273888

Overview

Pilares made a name for himself as one of college football's most dangerous offensive weapons in one of the nation's most prolific offenses. Playing both running back and slot receiver during his career at Hawaii, Pilares was incredibly productive this past season, finishing seventh in the nation in receiving yards and third in touchdowns (for the nation's sixth-ranked offense).

As a freshman running back, Pilares led the team in rushing with 388 yards on 68 carries and three touchdowns while catching 26 passes for 249 yards and a score. He rushed the ball 56 times as a sophomore for 300 yards and five touchdowns, adding 29-246-2 receiving. He moved to receiver as a junior and totaled 66 receptions for 690 yards and four touchdowns. He broke out as a senior, earning second-team All-WAC honors after hauling in 88 passes for 1,306 yards and 15 touchdowns.

While Pilares is explosive, he is an undersized one-dimensional threat with inconsistent hands who offers little value to make plays down the field in tight coverage. Pilares may not get drafted early, but his likeness to former Hawaii and current Miami Dolphins pass-catcher Davone Bess and versatility as a slot receiver, runner and return man could earn him a Saturday slot.

Analysis

Strengths: Great quickness, accelerates well off the line as a slot receiver. Changes directions well. Gets into and out of his sharp routes quickly, uses stutter steps to create separation. Finds soft spots in the defense. Superb run after catch abilities; turns short passes into long gains with very good balance, acceleration and vision. Breaks tackles using both agility and a stiff arm. Executes screen passes well, wiggles his way through the defense for extra yardage. Very effective on quick slants. Willing blocker downfield, squares up and is patient enough to sustain.

Weaknesses: Drops too many catchable passes, tends to body catch. Only a valuable asset in the quick passing game and does not have the size or receiving ability to make many plays down the field. Not a physical receiver, uncomfortable trying to make catches in traffic and prefers to separate using speed alone. Struggles to adjust to errant passes in any direction. Does not have good snap awareness and is occasionally late off the ball.

Now when you read the strengths who does he remind you of (I don't remember hearing those things about Armanti Edwards) just saying fro the sake of the arguement. Now I'm not dismissing his weaknesses because all players have them, but to say he can't improve on them is ignorant.

[Guest Setfree1012]

By the way I'm not annointing Pilares the next anything, but even Steve Smith wasn't "Steve Smith" until he BECAME "Steve Smith". I wish all our players the best. Today I'm bored at home so I'm debating just to debate.

As far as Chud, you'd have to within reason assume that he will integrate what San Diego does into his own style of playcalling. You don't work on a staff with the leagues number one offense and not pick up anything new worth bringing with you to your new place of employment.

Just see Rivera when he was initially hired, he's a 4-3/Bear defense guy at heart, but he also has extensive experience w/ the 3-4. I remember when fans (myself included) feared a switch to the 3-4 knowing we didn't have the personnel. But, for him not to incorporate 3-4 looks/concepts to show offenses something different from time to time would IMO be a mistake. I think Chud will do the same, we have deep threats in Smith and Gettis, possession receivers in LaFell and Pilares, tight ends who can run/block/catch in Shockey, and Barnidge; and I really hope Armanti can be that X-Factor from "Wildcat" return game aspect. I'm just in the group that doesn't see Edwards as good enough to beat out Pilares for the 4th spot.

[bleys]

By the way I'm not annointing Pilares the next anything, but even Steve Smith wasn't "Steve Smith" until he BECAME "Steve Smith". I wish all our players the best. Today I'm bored at home so I'm debating just to debate.

As far as Chud, you'd have to within reason assume that he will integrate what San Diego does into his own style of playcalling. You don't work on a staff with the leagues number one offense and not pick up anything new worth bringing with you to your new place of employment.

Just see Rivera when he was initially hired, he's a 4-3/Bear defense guy at heart, but he also has extensive experience w/ the 3-4. I remember when fans (myself included) feared a switch to the 3-4 knowing we didn't have the personnel. But, for him not to incorporate 3-4 looks/concepts to show offenses something different from time to time would IMO be a mistake. I think Chud will do the same, we have deep threats in Smith and Gettis, possession receivers in LaFell and Pilares, tight ends who can run/block/catch in Shockey, and Barnidge; and I really hope Armanti can be that X-Factor from "Wildcat" return game aspect. I'm just in the group that doesn't see Edwards as good enough to beat out Pilares for the 4th spot.

more along the lines of the Philly 4-3...

[CRA]

By the way I'm not annointing Pilares the next anything, but even Steve Smith wasn't "Steve Smith" until he BECAME "Steve Smith". I wish all our players the best. Today I'm bored at home so I'm debating just to debate.

As far as Chud, you'd have to within reason assume that he will integrate what San Diego does into his own style of playcalling. You don't work on a staff with the leagues number one offense and not pick up anything new worth bringing with you to your new place of employment.

Just see Rivera when he was initially hired, he's a 4-3/Bear defense guy at heart, but he also has extensive experience w/ the 3-4. I remember when fans (myself included) feared a switch to the 3-4 knowing we didn't have the personnel. But, for him not to incorporate 3-4 looks/concepts to show offenses something different from time to time would IMO be a mistake. I think Chud will do the same, we have deep threats in Smith and Gettis, possession receivers in LaFell and Pilares, tight ends who can run/block/catch in Shockey, and Barnidge; and I really hope Armanti can be that X-Factor from "Wildcat" return game aspect. I'm just in the group that doesn't see Edwards as good enough to beat out Pilares for the 4th spot.

I think peope looking at SD last year are gonna be VERY disappointed when they see our offense in action.

Pilares played in the Hawaii offense and never even stepped on a NFL field.....it will be HUGE for him if he suits up for one game. Yet, in your post you already have him penciled in possession WR for us. Name me one player out of that Hawaii passing offense that has transistioned over to the NFL.

[Guest Setfree1012]

Already did, even the article I posted said it, try reading. Devone Bess. And I have him 4th behind Smith, Gettis, and LaFell. Look at guys like Lance Moore, Harry Douglas, Sammie Stroughter, and that's just in our division who made names for themselves as slot receivers.

Again I'm not saying we will mirror San Diego's offense but we will likely see some if their concepts.

[Guest Setfree1012]

Already did, even the article I posted said it, try reading. Devone Bess. And I have him 4th behind Smith, Gettis, and LaFell. Look at guys like Lance Moore, Harry Douglas, Sammie Stroughter, and that's just in our division who made names for themselves as slot receivers.

Again I'm not saying we will mirror San Diego's offense but we will likely see some if their concepts.

[CRA]

Already did, even the article I posted said it, try reading. Devone Bess. And I have him 4th behind Smith, Gettis, and LaFell. Look at guys like Lance Moore, Harry Douglas, Sammie Stroughter, and that's just in our division who made names for themselves as slot receivers.

Again I'm not saying we will mirror San Diego's offense but we will likely see some if their concepts.

So out of the high powered Hawaii offense....the only name you can come up with is Bess. A significantly better WR at Hawaii that has developed into a slot WR.

I mean, that does support my belief of how it is comical assume this guy is Smith's replacement. Steve Smith has been a 10 (capable of playing every WR spot at a high level and dominate the game)......you can't looking through the garbage can for his realistic replacement just b/c you found gold in Smith.

Chud's playbook would have to largely be rewritten for it to resemble what they did in SD last year....would also means HIS philosophy would have to change.

[jayflip]

CRA, don't hate on Pilares! It's true, he has an uphill battle to make the roster and an even bigger one to suit up, but I believe in him. Each year, we all choose our unheralded rookie to root for. Last year, no one chose Gettis. Most people (there was one poster on his jock, but only one) thought Gettis was an afterthought. Now look at what he accomplished. To say Pilares is soft and he's from Hawaii so he's gonna suck, is baseless speculation, and I exercise my right to baselessy speculate that he will eat the world.

[CRA]

CRA, don't hate on Pilares! It's true, he has an uphill battle to make the roster and an even bigger one to suit up, but I believe in him. Each year, we all choose our unheralded rookie to root for. Last year, no one chose Gettis. Most people (there was one poster on his jock, but only one) thought Gettis was an afterthought. Now look at what he accomplished. To say Pilares is soft and he's from Hawaii so he's gonna suck, is baseless speculation, and I exercise my right to baselessy speculate that he will eat the world.

I don't hate the kid.

I just don't get how people are crowning this kid as a legit player for us already. He is a shaky WR who needs a LOT of work. Odds are against him IMO....but I will pull for him. I just don't get people claiming he is gonna be the caliber of guy Steve Smith is.....and then not understand when people call that a wild claim.

I mean if I claim Tony Pike is gonna be the bees knees....I can't argue when people claim that is a wild claim on my part.