Stewart wants us to hang on to Williams

[4Corners]

I've never heard so much bullpoo conjecture trying to be pawned off as fact..

You must have missed a lot of NJPanther's posts

[CRA]

So what about 2009?

DeAngelo Williams:

216 Att for 1,117 yards

5.2 yard average, 7 rushing TD

29 receptions with 252 yards

Jonathan Stewart:

221 Att for 1,133 yards

5.1 yard average, 10 rushing TD

18 recpetions for 139 yards.

I fail to see how Jonathan was any better or worse than DeAngelo.

And last year DeAngelo was out 10 games, so I don't get why you'd even include that one.

I said the past 2 years....which means you look at both seasons.

DeAngleo - 4.8 y/c, 8 rushing TDs, 7.8 y/r, 0 rec TDs, fumbles average of every 85 touches

Stewart - 4-7 y/c, 12 rushing TDs, 9.3 y/r, 2 rec TDs, fumbles average of every 91 touches

So the past 2 seasons, Stewart is the more productive RB when touching the ball. Stewart edges him out in every aspect except yard per carry which is almost a virtual tie.....so DeAngleo should of dominated that aspect since Stewart is more of a bruiser.

[NJPanthers12]

You must have missed a lot of NJPanther's posts

My source tells me very slim chance goes anywhere but Carolina. Panthers are going to pony up the money and his bond with Stewart keeps him here.

[thefuzz]

Let's all look at logic here, and ask ourselves 1 question.

How many of last years playoff teams had a 1st round RB that they drafted?

How many had 2 1st round RB's that they drafted?

[Bronn]

My source tells me very slim chance goes anywhere but Carolina. Panthers are going to pony up the money and his bond with Stewart keeps him here.

in other news, it is hot today with the possibility of afternoon thunderstorms...

[neverlosethefeeling]

I said the past 2 years....which means you look at both seasons.

DeAngleo - 4.8 y/c, 8 rushing TDs, 7.8 y/r, 0 rec TDs, fumbles average of every 85 touches

Stewart - 4-7 y/c, 12 rushing TDs, 9.3 y/r, 2 rec TDs, fumbles average of every 91 touches

So the past 2 seasons, Stewart is the more productive RB when touching the ball. Stewart edges him out in every aspect except yard per carry which is almost a virtual tie.....so DeAngleo should of dominated that aspect.

Jonathan's stats in that case are going to be unfairly inflated due to the fact that 10 of those games from last season he was the feature back as DeAngelo was hurt.

So, in essence, you're comparing DeAngelo's stats with Jonathan in the line up, to Jonathan's stats without DeAngelo in the lineup.

I call bullpoo.

Also, how many times has DeAngelo's running gotten us into the redzone and then they give the ball to Stewart to punch it in?

I'd say a fair number.

[bleys]

like what for example?

people claiming he's injury prone and coudln't handle taking on DWill's carries, when in fact DWill has missed more games and had the EXACT same carries per game as Stew in the last 2 years.

do I really have to quote all this poo? just go back and read the thread.. better yet, read the other DWill thread I shut down..

and wouldn't you claiming he insists on being the guy be conjecture considering all reports he has stated he likes the combination?

[CRA]

Jonathan's stats in that case are going to be unfairly inflated due to the fact that 10 of those games from last season he was the feature back as DeAngelo was hurt.

So, in essence, you're comparing DeAngelo's stats with Jonathan in the line up, to Jonathan's stats without DeAngelo in the lineup.

I call bullpoo.

I realize Williams was hurt.....that is why I said Stewart was the more prodcutive RB and better RB per touch over the past 2 years.

Who is on the sideline doesn't effect that.

[bleys]

like what for example?

people claiming he's injury prone and coudln't handle taking on DWill's carries, when in fact DWill has missed more games and had the EXACT same carries per game as Stew in the last 2 years.

Goodson can't be a feature back considering he jump started the run game last year. should he need to prove himself more? sure, but anyone who thinks he is Reggie Bush is a f**king idiot.

I like DWill and hope he stays, but no one arguing for DWill has said anything factual.

also, I'm not sure I'm buying what you're selling on Stew wanting to be the only back. it's conjecture when assuming someone is saying something based on nothing he's ever said.

[CRA]

people claiming he's injury prone and coudln't handle taking on DWill's carries, when in fact DWill has missed more games and had the EXACT same carries per game as Stew in the last 2 years.

Goodson can't be a feature back considering he jump started the run game last year. should he need to prove himself more? sure, but anyone who thinks he is Reggie Bush is a fuging idiot.

I like DWill and hope he stays, but no one on this forum has formed a solid analysis, or anything close to it being based

also, I'm not sure I'm buying what you're selling on Stew wanting to be the only back. it's conjecture when assuming someone is saying something based on nothing he's ever said.

I don't think Stewart want to be the only RB. I think he wants to be the primary RB when in his prime.

Stewart has said something about wanting to be the greatest RB in Panther history and spoke in regards to being viewed league wide......you can't achieve that being the #2 most of your career or getting slightly more than half the load.

[neverlosethefeeling]

also, Stewart and Williams have played 3 years together....people tend to overlook Stewart has been the better RB 2 of those 3.

The best RB in 2008 in Carolina was named DeAngleo......the best RB in Carolina is now Stewart. Don't need to spend a ton of cash to keep the 2nd best RB.

Even if I concede that he's the 2nd best running back on the team, your argument for NOT keeping him still doesn't hold water when you consider that while he may be (or may not be) the 2nd best RB on the team, our 2nd best RB is still better than ANY other free agent RB this year and is better than 90% of other teams' best running backs league-wide.

[bleys]

I don't think Stewart want to be the only RB. I think he wants to be the primary RB.

Stewart has said something about wanting to be the greatest RB in Panther history and spoke in regards to being viewed league wide......you can't achieve that being the #2 most of your career or getting slightly more than half the load.

although I guess you can try to spin it that way, I don't think you're statement means he wants DWill gone..

he's also said he loves having DWill on the team and in recent years has said he hopes they can stay together..

[thefuzz]

Even if I concede that he's the 2nd best running back on the team, your argument for NOT keeping him still doesn't hold water when you consider that while he may be (or may not be) the 2nd best RB on the team, our 2nd best RB is still better than ANY other free agent RB this year and is better than 90% of other teams' best running backs league-wide.

NLTF, it's not an argument of keeping him or not, it's about it making sense financially.

This team cannot continue to spend 1st round money on two backs, with one of them entering the biggest contract of his life, and us being a 2-14 team.

If we were on the cusp....Indy, Ravens, Saints, etc. it make a lot more sense to go "all out" for the next two seasons, be we aren't even close.

By the time Cam is ready to start, and be a solid QB, DWill will be 30+ years old.

[frash.exe]

I'm sorry, but I think a bunch of people ITT are full of shiit.

You guys know that Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo are really good friends right? Jonathan isn't saying he wants DeAngelo to stay just to be a nice guy or a good teammate, he probably means it genuinely. How does DeAngelo staying not benefit Jonathan? By splitting carries, not only is it more likely that he'll be fresher throughout the duration of the season, but also more likely that his career will be prolonged.

Which brings me to the "DeAngelo is 28" argument. He's been splitting carries his entire freakin' career! DeAngelo probably has the legs of a 26 year old RB due to the fact that he hasn't had to be the 25-30 carries/pg guy. The fact that DeAngelo is here helps Jonathan and the fact that Jonathan is here helps DeAngelo. And we see the results on the football field.

DeAngelo has said time and time again that he wants to be a Panther. Why, honestly, would a FA say that if they didn't mean it? If they do say that, they're telling 31 other teams that they prefer to stay with their home team. If they don't say that, they're telling 31 other teams "COME AND GET ME!" So why would players just say that to blow smoke up fans' asses?

At their best, we're talking about quite possibly THE most talented running back duo in the entire NFL and why people are so quick to give that up is so far beyond me especially considering the support they can provide for Cam and his development. Yes, we have a stable of running backs, but you need to lay down the pipe if you think we can replace Williams with Goodson or Sutton.

Williams wants to be a Panther, Jonathan wants him to be a Panther, and he needs to be a Panther.

it's not Stewart's or Williams' decision to make