Since Atlanta is the biggest threat to sign CJ

[jtnc]

AJ Green wouldn't have been worth what they gave up to me.

I don't see CJ going to Atlanta. You would have to pay me a ton more money to live in that hellhole. I deliver furniture all over the east coast and I have never been to a city that I hate as much as Atlanta.

Julio Jones was draft WAY too high. And too many picks traded away.

[MHS831]

Green was worth it, but Julio is a workout warrior with some impressive highlights. He drops a lot of balls.

[jramsey4]

Green was worth it, but Julio is a workout warrior with some impressive highlights. He drops a lot of balls.

Neither are. No WR is worth it to me.

[jtnc]

Neither are. No WR is worth it to me.

You don't think Calvin Johnson was worth it?

[theDIRTYcode]

There were two sources, not just one.

The Falcons and CJ's agent know the Falcons will not even enter a bidding war because they cannot afford it. So, why would CJ wait beyond the 72 hour window to take a chance. Maybe they will overpay, as you say, but you don't know what he is worth. Nobody does. If he gets double digit sacks for the next 6 years, did they overpay?

This 72 hour window thing is a little stupid. Top FA's aren't gonna care about it. It's not like teams are gonna withdraw their offers because the player waited to see what else he could get. And no, you can't over pay a 6 year double digit sack guy.

I'm not even getting baited into the Julio talk :p

[MHS831]

This 72 hour window thing is a little stupid. Top FA's aren't gonna care about it. It's not like teams are gonna withdraw their offers because the player waited to see what else he could get. And no, you can't over pay a 6 year double digit sack guy.

I'm not even getting baited into the Julio talk :p

I agree about the free agents/72 hour window. Unless someone expects Daniel Snyder or Al Davis is interested in their clients, they have a very good idea what they can get on the open market and teams who are interested. BTW, does that rule impact when undrafted free agents can sign? Anybody know?

[MHS831]

Neither are. No WR is worth it to me.

I don't know. I see your point, but a top WR is worth the sixth overall pick. If he were drafted first, that might be another thing.

I think they gave up too much for him and Cleveland got the best of them. Cleveland had a good draft.

[jtm]

I just don't see us letting CJ go. I do have some concerns that teams like Atlanta might get into a bidding war with us just to drive CJ's price up in order to hurt us in cap space in the long run. That is what I would do if I was them.

Also, does anyone share my concerns about big free agents physical conditioning this year? If I was DWill or CJ, I wouldn't be going to hard training for fear that I might injure myself and get less $. I am concerned that guys might be doing this and it will carry over into the season b/c they will not be in game time shape until mid-season.

[Swarly]

I don't know. I see your point, but a top WR is worth the sixth overall pick. If he were drafted first, that might be another thing.

I think they gave up too much for him and Cleveland got the best of them. Cleveland had a good draft.

A top WR isn't worth 6th overall when your defense is mediocre and got CRUSHED in the first round.

[jramsey4]

You don't think Calvin Johnson was worth it?

Nope. How many playoffs have the Lions been to since he was draft? WR's are the last pieces to a puzzle. You need to have a QB and a OLine while at the same time have a good D. Then you can use top picks on a WR. As good as CJ and AJ are it hasn't translated into a lot of success for there respective teams.

The Falcons needed much more help on the D side of the ball so why give up there entire draft to get a WR. Its the Shiny Hood Ornament syndrome a lot of front offices make http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/Archive_3432_Moss_shocker_&_CHFF_shiny_hood_ornament_theory.html

[Davidson Deac II]

I see your point, but I wouldn't say that Johnson wasn't worth it just because the Lions haven't been to a playoff. The Texans haven't been to a playoff game either, but Mario Williams was still a good pick at DE. The Lions made a good pick with Johnson, but Stafford needs to stay healthy before they can become a playoff contender. You need several pieces to become a legit sb threat, and WR is one of those.

That being said, I agree the Falcons made a bad deal, although if Ryan becomes a legit top 5 qb, this deal might eventually be forgotten.

[MHS831]

A top WR isn't worth 6th overall when your defense is mediocre and got CRUSHED in the first round.

If you are questioning Atlanta's logic, Yes, I agree 100%. Just looking at the WR at #6 is not a reach (in general). The fact that they traded a lot to move up to take a WR is bad. Their D got exposed. The did not address DE in the draft until the last round, leading everyone to speculate about CJ. I like having Atl. as our rival, but it seems we are never good at the same time.

[bleys]

This 72 hour window thing is a little stupid. Top FA's aren't gonna care about it. It's not like teams are gonna withdraw their offers because the player waited to see what else he could get. And no, you can't over pay a 6 year double digit sack guy.

I'm not even getting baited into the Julio talk :p

well it's good to know we both agree Julio was a one of the biggest reaches in NFL history.. he better learn how to run an NFL route in the next 4 years or that trade will go down with the likes of Ricky Williams and the Saints.. and here's the kicker: Ricky Williams actually proved himself.

Nope. How many playoffs have the Lions been to since he was draft? WR's are the last pieces to a puzzle. You need to have a QB and a OLine while at the same time have a good D. Then you can use top picks on a WR. As good as CJ and AJ are it hasn't translated into a lot of success for there respective teams.

The Falcons needed much more help on the D side of the ball so why give up there entire draft to get a WR. Its the Shiny Hood Ornament syndrome a lot of front offices make http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/Archive_3432_Moss_shocker_&_CHFF_shiny_hood_ornament_theory.html

yeah dude.. I agree with where you are coming from.. however, once you have those pieces put together, you can't replace an Andre or Calvin Johnson..

Smitty pretty much landed us in the NFC Championship in '05.. granted, our defense was good and Delhomme could still hit the blind side of a barn.. but Smitty was pretty much our only threat on offense.

[bleys]

I haven't looked at a lot of different scenarios, so feel free to kill this with a little research (if it proves in favor for you)

but Brady only threw for over 4000 yards (4100) in 2005 in his career without the likes of Moss... other than that he was below 4k by 300-500 yards every year.

when Moss came to town he threw for over 4400 and 4800 yards in 2007 and 2009..

2010 he threw for 3900 yards.. include that if you want, or not..