What will a $123 million dollar cap allow the the Panthers to do?

[carpanfan96]

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I'm pretty sure that after they sign their rookies and so forth, that they don't have the cap to sign him to that kind of deal unless they back load the hell out of it.

[Ja Rhule]

I'm pretty sure that after they sign their rookies and so forth, that they don't have the cap to sign him to that kind of deal unless they back load the hell out of it.

This. Julio will make as much as Newton, around $8m a year. Atlanta has few holes, they cannot afford $14m a year DE.

[TruCatzFan]

I understand that we all have typos from time to time but JESUS.... Can u please learn how to spell...

It's Salary cap... Not salery cap... Damn!

[firstdayfan]

I don't think we all understand the intricacies of the salary cap...if you sign a deal for 30 million over three years you don't generally make an even 10 mil a year...general managers aren't that stupid. They adjust it in order to save money. For example, whoever said Johnson will get count 14 million this year is insane. We paid peppers 16 million a year when he was franchised...Johnson won't make anywhere near that. Your telling me that we have 75 million currently and then 5 players and the rookies will count for another 50 million? Get real guys.

Also keep in mind that there is a cash minimum so we have to spend 90% of the cap just like everyone else...so how we spend it is going to be much more important than how much we spend.

My guess is that after everyone is signed we will have room to go out and get 3-4 solid free agents and maybe a handful of league minimum players.

[SorthNarolina]

I think Johnson will get close to $14m a year.

no way I'd eat my hat if he got that much from anybody

[Ja Rhule]

I don't think we all understand the intricacies of the salary cap...if you sign a deal for 30 million over three years you don't generally make an even 10 mil a year...general managers aren't that stupid. They adjust it in order to save money. For example, whoever said Johnson will get count 14 million this year is insane. We paid peppers 16 million a year when he was franchised...Johnson won't make anywhere near that. Your telling me that we have 75 million currently and then 5 players and the rookies will count for another 50 million? Get real guys.

Also keep in mind that there is a cash minimum so we have to spend 90% of the cap just like everyone else...so how we spend it is going to be much more important than how much we spend.

My guess is that after everyone is signed we will have room to go out and get 3-4 solid free agents and maybe a handful of league minimum players.

Rookie salaries were capped for a reason so players like Johnson (best DE in FA) can make a fortune. We say $10-$14m a year, but we all know its gonna be a diffrent number, most contracts are backloaded. Thanks captain obvious.

[carpanfan96]

Actually yes, because you have signing bonuses and so forth the cap hit gets spread around. You still have base salary and cap hit, with the team having to spend cash. You lose a lot of leeway in doing deals, Team can't just through a signing bonus out and be done with it to save money now.

Johnson is going to get paid around 10-14 million per year, plus bonuses and so forth. His cap hit for that first season depending on the full details of the CBA could run anywhere from 5-8 million, if he hit's certain numbers and you count his signing bonus his hit for next season would probably be around 14-17 million, based off a 6 year deal worth 80 million. (which is what its going to take to sign him long term.)

Peppers the season he was tagged made 16 million, but because of contract details in his original deal he got additional bonuses on top of that and his hit was actually close to 20 million.

Breaking it down even further. These numbers are going to the high end of things to be safe.

Current cap for Panthers = 73-75 million

Kalil is going to be making 10 million plus his old deal's bonuses and so forth will have to be counted as LTBE incentives that will still count towards the cap.

Team is now at 88 million for just Kalil.

Lets say Johnson gets what I think he does, lets say his salary is 7 million for this season.

His hit because of bonuses and so forth that will be considered LTBE, his hit is probably going to be around 8.5 - 9 million. Lets just say he makes 7 million though.

Team is now at 95 million cap figure and has only signed two of its players.

Anderson will be looking to get paid, if he stays. He's getting paid, I'd expect based off averages that he'll get around a 4-5 year deal worth around 25-30 million with 12-15 of that guaranteed. His salary would probably be around 3 million with a hit of around 4.5.

Davis will likely get a 1 or 2 year deal worth around 3.5 per or around that. His salary will probably be around 2 million with a hit of around 3

Team cap figure after those 4 players are signed = 102 million.

Williams is definitely going to get paid and get paid big time. Expect a 5 year deal worth around the top 10 in the league at the RB spot. Looking around a 5 mil per year deal with tons of incentives and a pretty good signing bonus. Cap hit will probably be around 5 million if he was signed.

Cap is now at 107 million.

Rookies will total around 12 million counting Newton's deal. The cap hit would be in the 6 million range.

Cap is now at 112 million spent of 120 million on the high end. On the low end, I'd say you would be looking at 104 million spent of that 120 million. I'd expect it to be somewhere in between those two numbers.

Leaving around 8 - 16 million left over to sign a few free agents.

Those numbers are approximate values and could be lower or higher based off certain details in the new CBA that haven't been announced yet.

[firstdayfan]

http://http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Carolina-Panthers-Salaries

I found this website and I can't speak for it's validity but it shows how ridiculous some of you are being. Jordan gross...one of the highest paid panthers, counted 4.5 mil last year and will count 6 mil this year. And some of you are saying kalil will make 10 mil, an Johnson will command 14 million??? That's freaking nuts!!!

And I really don't think they'd bring back Williams at 6 mil or more this season. I'd expect something in the 3-4 range. I'm talking this years cap hit not total contract numbers.

[firstdayfan]

Rookie salaries were capped for a reason so players like Johnson (best DE in FA) can make a fortune. We say $10-$14m a year, but we all know its gonna be a diffrent number, most contracts are backloaded. Thanks captain obvious.

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about man...the OP asked how much will the 120 million cap get us...you mentioned that Johnson will make 14 million this year. He won't count 14 million against the cap and I don't thing you get that. Sure there will be a signing bonus and escalators but those don't count against the initial cap. So all the guys saying that we aren't going to have money after resigning our guys and beason are either wrong or just being stupid. Which is it captain obvious???

[Ja Rhule]

http://http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Carolina-Panthers-Salaries

I found this website and I can't speak for it's validity but it shows how ridiculous some of you are being. Jordan gross...one of the highest paid panthers, counted 4.5 mil last year and will count 6 mil this year. And some of you are saying kalil will make 10 mil, an Johnson will command 14 million??? That's freaking nuts!!!

And I really don't think they'd bring back Williams at 6 mil or more this season. I'd expect something in the 3-4 range. I'm talking this years cap hit not total contract numbers.

Really dude? When we say $10-$14m its weighted average cost. Gross signed like 6 year $70m contract. Dude makes $10-$12m a year aka wac cost.

[Ja Rhule]

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about man...the OP asked how much will the 120 million cap get us...you mentioned that Johnson will make 14 million this year. He won't count 14 million against the cap and I don't thing you get that. Sure there will be a signing bonus and escalators but those don't count against the initial cap. So all the guys saying that we aren't going to have money after resigning our guys and beason are either wrong or just being stupid. Which is it captain obvious???

We talking about 2 different things. Anyway, I c ur point.

[Ja Rhule]

Johnson will demand 6 years $80-$90m contract with $30-$35m guaranteed.

More than likely it will be backloaded deal with Johnson making around $18m in his final year.

PS: it will look something like

2011: $10

2012: $11

2013: $12

2014: $13

2015: $16

2016: $18

[carpanfan96]

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about man...the OP asked how much will the 120 million cap get us...you mentioned that Johnson will make 14 million this year. He won't count 14 million against the cap and I don't thing you get that. Sure there will be a signing bonus and escalators but those don't count against the initial cap. So all the guys saying that we aren't going to have money after resigning our guys and beason are either wrong or just being stupid. Which is it captain obvious???

Kalil will make 10 million if they don't resign him, he has a franchise tag that counts 10 million flat against the cap. Also Gross made closer to 10 million against the cap last season. Here's his full numbers - 6 year deal worth 60 million dollars Included 30 million in the first 3 seasons and his base salary for this coming season is 6 million, because of his signing bonus that number is actually around 9 million.

Steve Smith counts 9 million against the cap for this season.

That's because those signing bonuses actually count against the cap, just spread over the length of the deal. Also incentives count if they are listed as a LTBE incentive.

[panthers55]

The franchise tag for DEs is 12.9 million which is highly influenced by Pepper's 18 million. So people saying that Johnson will get 14 million are saying he will be 2nd highest paid DE in the league and above the tag level??

I would think that around 45 million for 5 years is about right. With a bidding war it could go to 50 or 55.