The Broncos are actively shopping Jay Cutler

[carolinarolls]

I would trade Jake, Lucas, Peppers, John Fox and Marty Hurney for Jay Cutler

and I would be willing to entertain more if that wasn't enough.

[Fox007]

I would trade Jake, Lucas, Peppers, John Fox and Marty Hurney for Jay Cutler

and I would be willing to entertain more if that wasn't enough.

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WTF is wrong with Hurney?

[carolinarolls]

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WTF is wrong with Hurney?

may as well

wholesale change, coach goes, GM goes too. I am tired of them pawning off the proverbial scape goat on us every year. this thing is starting to stink from the top down IMO.

the FO did a great job last year and has handcuffed themselves this year with the tagging of Pep.

[Fireball77]

interesting.

i tend to agree with that. penny's arm scares me but he is a tough minded individual who got dealt a crappy hand in NY and did the best with what he has. well respected by everyone he has played with from what i know.

He's got what I call the Holy Trinity of QBs...and not many have that. Head, heart and stones. I think he's gotten a bit of a bum rap for his arm. He has had two shoulder surgeries and that first year back was likely recovering a bit. And throwing in the Meadowlands...not too many QBs do that very well. I know Eli struggles with it. Cutler would be a better fit for the NYJ because all he has shown me so far is a rocket arm.

[monstercat]

Honestly, how can you fault Hurney for tagging Peppers? From what I understand, he's been trying like hell to re-sign Peppers for at least a year now. Other than that, what's he supposed to do? He would have to be a complete idiot to just let Peppers walk away with no compensation.

[carolinarolls]

Honestly, how can you fault Hurney for tagging Peppers? From what I understand, he's been trying like hell to re-sign Peppers for at least a year now. Other than that, what's he supposed to do? He would have to be a complete idiot to just let Peppers walk away with no compensation.

says you.

If he can't sign him in a year the guy obviously wants out. Why handcuff your entire off season acquisition period leading up to the draft with the hope and dream of getting something worthwhile for a 29 year old "silent-type" who desires to change schemes and position but is determined to limit the pool of suitors as well as demand top-tier money.

Hurney spent the last year trying to woo peppers and now he is going to spend the next 4 months trying to woo every other team Peppers hasn't already eliminated from contention.

Surely you are not one of these who thinks this pimping out of Pep is not going to hurt us this off season. Surely you do not think this is going to be quick and painless.

Our greed is gonna end up costing us an entire year of growth.

[saladdodger]

17-20 as a starter. 0 playoff games. Whines. Pass.

[monstercat]

says you.

If he can't sign him in a year the guy obviously wants out. Why handcuff your entire off season acquisition period leading up to the draft with the hope and dream of getting something worthwhile for a 29 year old "silent-type" who desires to change schemes and position but is determined to limit the pool of suitors as well as demand top-tier money.

Hurney spent the last year trying to woo peppers and now he is going to spend the next 4 months trying to woo every other team Peppers hasn't already eliminated from contention.

Surely you are not one of these who thinks this pimping out of Pep is not going to hurt us this off season. Surely you do not think this is going to be quick and painless.

Our greed is gonna end up costing us an entire year of growth.

OK, what would you have done?

[CarolinaSock]

17-20 as a starter. 0 playoff games. Whines. Pass.

Denver scoring defense ranks last 2 seasons were 28 and 30th. I think this might have a slight impact on his win/loss ratio.

[Fireball77]

Yeah I never give a QB a W-L record, this isn't baseball and they aren't pitchers. I judge them on how much they did to contribute to the W-L record.

And I just heard from Micheal Smith on NFL Live that the Broncos were only going to give the Pats a second rounder for Cassel themselves via the Cutler trade (and Denver's second rounder is of course lower than KC's). Smith is pretty accurate when it comes to the Pats since he is still plugged in there (He used to be a beat reporter on the Pats).

[frash.exe]

Honestly, how can you fault Hurney for tagging Peppers? From what I understand, he's been trying like hell to re-sign Peppers for at least a year now. Other than that, what's he supposed to do? He would have to be a complete idiot to just let Peppers walk away with no compensation.

this

[saladdodger]

Denver scoring defense ranks last 2 seasons were 28 and 30th. I think this might have a slight impact on his win/loss ratio.

Bad defense, diabetes, iffy receivers after Marshall, etc. Maybe you have a point, maybe you don't. My point is simply that he hasn't done anything yet to justify the attitude that Peppers for Cutler straight up is a great deal for us.

[bigdog_10_2002]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I can't say that i'm not intrigued about the possibility of Cutler to Carolina.

From the games i've watched him play, he is a heckuva QB with still some untapped potential. I don't see it happening, but he would def. be an ungrade over Jake. Dwayne Jarrett would probably benefit the most from him coming here.

[saladdodger]

Yeah I never give a QB a W-L record, this isn't baseball and they aren't pitchers. I judge them on how much they did to contribute to the W-L record.

So how much did he contribute, or rather how much did he do to stop the Broncos collapse at the end of the season, costing them a playoff spot?