Courts Rule Lockout is Legal

[Chaos]

Hmm, what to do with myself this fall. I could finally get around to alphabetizing my pr0n collection.

[pantherfan49]

A little known fact about the pre-season games is that the owners do not have to share the revenue generated by these games with the players as part of the revenue sharing agreement in the last CBA. So effectively, the owners are hurt more by missing those games than the players who only get the training camp money.

Sure players don't have much cash set aside, but at least they don't have to figure out how to pay the mortgage note on a stadium.

So what? Yes owners will lose some based on preseason revenue losses. But the owners can survive the storm a lot better than the players. Most owners are business savvy. Players, not so much.

[HsvPantherFan]

Also from the same report:

So, Cam is not locked-out? GO MEET WITH RIVERA AND CHUD NOW.

If Cam does go meet with coaches/management would veteran players look at this the same as a non-union member crossing a pickett line? Just curious

[Lilsmitty09]

day 119 of the goddamn lockout....come on....get a damn deal done

[OchoNueve]

Are any you guys even paying attention to the reports that it should be over next week? I understand nothing is a guarantee, but from the most recent reports it sounds like they have already agreed upon revenue sharing which was the major issue. Now they are just working out how free agency will be handled once the green light turns on and NFL operations are a "go."

Quit overreacting, we will have football...

[thunderraiden]

If Cam does go meet with coaches/management would veteran players look at this the same as a non-union member crossing a pickett line? Just curious

It's a lockout not a strike. The owners would b the only ones upset lol

[blackcatgrowl]

And if they would have ruled it was illegal? Would we have gotten back all if the time missed? All of the rookie practices? The OTA's? No we wouldn't have.

That ruling means absolutely nothing.

The courts mean nothing at this point. It was the only way for the players to fight it, so they were left with no choice.

At this juncture only one thing matters... These current negotiations. Nothing else matters anymore. This was never gonna get settled through the court system and if you had faith that it would be, you unfortunately have way too much faith in our broken system.

If you really believe that this was a legit decision that $$ played no part in... Guess what... You're wring again!

Thus whole ordeal has been and will always be about $$... Once they (players and owners) settle it through negotiations it will all be over.

Hopefully we are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

You're right in saying the courts won't solve this and a deal needs to be done.

But the players were hardly backed into the corner on this. A VERY reasonable deal was offered to them, but their fearless lawyer... I mean leader... opted to start a Court battle.

Why?

I recall a player saying "Gene Upshaw taught us to never give anything back. Never let them take what they've given."

Now, going into a negotiation with this mentality automatically means... you are NOT willing to negotiate.

A negotiation requires compromise. You're never going to get the exact terms you want of a deal with an opposing party unless you have an upperhand and can leverage them to your demands.

And in Court, Smith thought he had an upper hand. Turns out, the Courts are acting like the Courts and ruling according to their activist or political influences, as they do, and the roll of the dice is not working out for them.

Maybe now the NFLPA* will stop this circus show and abandon their principle of "Not giving anything back." If the League and Owners didn't expect something back from the players, they would have opted to extend the old CBA.

[HsvPantherFan]

It's a lockout not a strike. The owners would b the only ones upset lol

I know it's not a strike. That's why I put a similar situation to someone crossing a pickett line. Afterall, the NFLPA asked, no make that warned, the rookies not to go Madison Square in April even though the NFLPA was not longer a recognized organization.

[CatMan72]

If Cam does go meet with coaches/management would veteran players look at this the same as a non-union member crossing a pickett line? Just curious

No, because there is no picket line... the players are not on strike.

I don't think anyone on the Panthers roster would have a problem with Cam working with our coaches as soon as he can... this CBA thing will be resolved soon and then it will be all about winning games.

[DevilCat]

Sal Palintonio (sp) just reported live on SC that it's "full speed ahead" with negotiations, and both sides will work today, Saturday and Sunday. Look for a deal Tuesday or Wed. Sorry no link.

[Lumps]

bahaha you think a deal has to be done soon or we lose preseason?

the owners would just hack job that poo. seems you fans don't care, why should they? same price, same amount of games, teams just aren't prepared.

money will not be lost, order must be kept.

[Ivan The Awesome]

This beyond gay. This is fiz gay.

[rayzor]

i figured this would have been posted. oh well...

NFL and NFLPA made a joint statement regarding the 8th circuit decision.

"While we respect the court's decision, today's ruling does not change our mutual recognition that this matter must be resolved through negotiation. We are committed to our current discussions and reaching a fair agreement that will benefit all parties for years to come, and allow for a full 2011 season."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-NFLPA-issue-joint-statement-on-lockout-being-upheld.html

or, as one of the giants beat reporters said,

TheBlueScreen Short version of joint statement: We read the ruling. Nothing has changed. We're still talking. #NFL

Ralph Vacchiano about 1h ago via Seesmic

this is a good sign. the two parties are committed to getting something worked out themselves, probably because they see the end in sight.

just the fact that they are issuing a statement together is a very good sign that things are on track.

[rayzor]

this might also be a good sign...

TheBlueScreen The NFLPA will hold a conference call today with team player reps for an update on the labor talks, according to Steelers S Ryan Clark. #NFL

Ralph Vacchiano about 1h ago via Seesmic