Suicide.

[j2sgam]

So what do I do? Should i approach him and ask how hes feeling on a daily basis, or let it go and take out a life insurance policy?

[Kettle]

i'd tell him he needs to start acting like more of a man.

[bleys]

life insurance won't pay out if he kills himself.

you can only do so much. live and let live is something people find hard to grasp, but truth is it's the only thing we can control. all you can do is point him in the right direction.

our lives are the sum of our thoughts, and until he starts changing his thought process, you are powerless.

do your part, make a recommendation to seek help and trust a greater power has a plan in mind.

wouldn't hurt to take klong's advice and tell him he needs to man up. life isn't fair and he needs to understand the momentum of life. (or what some would call karma) Until he starts trying to do better, he won't get better. until he stops blaming others/life/etc, nothing about his life will get better. convey to him that it starts with his thoughts and things will get better if he puts one foot in front of another, starting by seeing a professional for help.

[Kettle]

my step moms insurance still paid out. all of it to her sister, and none to my dad for bills. she did that in spite because his will was split 3 ways(her, my brother and I) instead of all of it going to her. selfish bitch!

[j2sgam]

i'd tell him he needs to start acting like more of a man.

Told him this during our talk Saturday..

life insurance won't pay out if he kills himself.

you can only do so much. live and let live is something people find hard to grasp, but truth is it's the only thing we can control. all you can do is point him in the right direction.

our lives are the sum of our thoughts, and until he starts changing his thought process, you are powerless.

do your part, make a recommendation to seek help and trust a greater power has a plan in mind.

You are wise beyond your years bleys... Thanks KK and everybody else for letting me got this off my chest, it is not a burden I chose, but I do choose to keep it...

[bleys]

my step moms insurance still paid out. all of it to her sister, and none to my dad for bills. she did that in spite because his will was split 3 ways(her, my brother and I) instead of all of it going to her. selfish bitch!

the insurance company could have f**ked up... or there must have been a loophole or gray area.. if it's clearly suicide, they won't pay. never hurts to take out a policy on him though.

Told him this during our talk Saturday..

You are wise beyond your years bleys... Thanks KK and everybody else for letting me got this off my chest, it is not a burden I chose, but I do choose to keep it...

yeah it's a delicate situation. one where it's best to bounce ideas and feelings off of someone else. I had a friend of mine tell me she thought she tried to kill herself one night.. it wasn't something she premeditated, ended up drinking one night and taking some pills. I don't think it ever becomes natural on how to react to these things..

[Kettle]

i have no idea what the wording of the policy was, but things were definitely paid for. it was obvious too.

[bleys]

that's definitely interesting..

edit: nevermind, I forgot, that's only within 2 years of the policy.. they'll pay after that 2 year period.

[iluvdapanthersyo]

Its worse IMO

Suicide is the one way to ensure the people you care for the most will suffer the most pain and confusion.

Worse than murder? That would not only cause pain and confusion for your loved ones, but for those of the person you killed as well, not to mention the fact that you would be taking someone else's life, which is certainly more selfish than suicide. I'm not saying suicide is right, but it is not worse than killing someone else.

[Panthers128]

I think suicide is selfish... As selfish as masturbating. It's a basic human right and if anyone wants to do it then they should.

The whole idea of hurting someone's feelings is out of the question once someone has reached the point of wanting to commit suicide. Clearly they have larger issues and need to focus on their own needs instead of the needs of others. Also these people are probably more of a burden to society than anything else. I imagine their so-called 'loved ones' may actually be glad to see them go.

[Dpantherman]

As long as my opinion does get confused with that one (^^^) im fine.

[Carolina Husker]

sylvian is really improving on his trolling ability

[rayzor]

I think suicide is selfish... As selfish as masturbating. It's a basic human right and if anyone wants to do it then they should.

The whole idea of hurting someone's feelings is out of the question once someone has reached the point of wanting to commit suicide. Clearly they have larger issues and need to focus on their own needs instead of the needs of others. Also these people are probably more of a burden to society than anything else. I imagine their so-called 'loved ones' may actually be glad to see them go.

you'd make a fine nazi.

[charlotte49er]

I think its pretty selfish. I mean its their body, but especially when people with kids do it. Basically abandoning their family. One would hope they'd go get help instead, but that doesn't always happen.

Ditto. It's the cowards way out. Life isn't fair, and no one promised you it would be. Sometimes you have to "suck it up" and and get on with your life. There are agencies out there to help you deal with problems, whatever they may be. Whether it would be abuse, finances, illness, addiction, whatever your problems or perceived problems are.

(BTW, crawling into a bottle or turning to drugs, I liken to suicide! It's just slower. IMO)

I went through a rough patch after my mom died. I credit her with raising me. My friends asked me to see the IBM shrink. I did and felt much better for it. I kind of expected him to tell me to tell me to say 3 Hail Mary's and bless me and I'd feel better. (Shrinks aren't Priests. LOL)

Everything I said, he'd say, "How does that make you feel?" One thing he said to me has stuck with me these 17 years. (And probably the reason I cope with my disability so well.) He told me to "Turn a negative into a positive!" I started walking and lost a huge amounth of weight. (251 pounds the first time.) And I think I cope pretty well for being a paraplegic now.