Suicide.

[ladypanther]

It is a tragedy.

I have talked with people who tried to kill themselves and survived. Those who really intended to die were in a place that we cannot understand. They are so disconnected that they do not believe others will suffer....many actually believe other people will be better off. It is a dark place that thankfully we have not experienced.

I fell compassion and sadness for anyone who feels bad enough to take or attempt to take their own life.

It is also one of the hardest things anyone will have to deal with...the suicide of someone they care about.

There is help out there...many do not know how to access it.

We should probably all judge less and care more.

[Darth Biscuit]

Like many have said, there is no right answer... there's too much gray area here. In certain, very unique situations, it can be acceptable imo... mostly however it's the product of a tortured mind that is not thinking clearly.

[Dpantherman]

BTW, by selfish, I don't believe anyone goes in and does it with the intention of hurting their family, its mostly in hindsight. Lots of sick folks out there that need help.

[Carolina Husker]

Suicide is the most selfish thing a person can do.

You mean besides telling someone they can't do something because of the way it will make you feel.

[bleys]

well said..

[rayzor]

a permanent solution to a temporary problem in which loved ones are left unnecessarily hurting. very selfish act. in a couple extreme situations, i can understand it (massive health problems that will not be improving and leaves a person in nothing but pain). for the most part, though, it is things that can be worked out with help...usually by the ones the person is choosing to abandon and hurt by killing themselves.

my wife and i worked in a children's home with troubled teenage girls and had two girls (out of about 35 that lived with us during that time) who tried killing themselves in our home. one was just 14 and had been raped twice, the last time just a week before she came to live with us. she had also been the victim of neglect and abuse of all kinds throughout her life. she had been resistant to help and fighting everybody. just an angry girl...with good reason. the attempt didn't work and she got taken to a mental hospital where she eventually was receptive to the help she was getting. that attempt was her bottoming out, but she lived to fight another day and the last i heard she was doing really well and finally happy and at peace with herself and life. '

the other girl had a complete mental breakdown that day that had been in the works for months. her grandfather had sexually abused her for about 5 years (since she was 10) while telling her that she was evil and degrading her verbally. they weren't sure of the extent of the trauma until that breakdown. she had a second personality show up that said it had killed the first one earlier that day. she then went running around the house with a pair of scissors she had stolen from school and then barricaded herself in her room and slit her wrist. i busted in the room just after she did it and we managed to stop the bleeding until help arrived (which we had already called because of the breakdown). she got taken away from the house for good. this was her third attempt at it, by the way. the first was her running into traffic during rush hour. the second was her trying to jump off a balcony (which she would have only succeeded in breaking a few bones since it was only about 12-15 feet up). i and a couple others pulled her off of that and it took 5 of us to hold her down until the ambulance showed up.

for some reason it was that last attempt that brought her the actual psychiatric help she needed. others involved above my paygrade thought she was just trying to get attention. that wrist cutting incident was the reason my wife and i decided to quit working at that children's home, btw. we had a 6 month old daughter at the time and decided that we didn't want to raise her around that type of environment. the girl that had tried killing herself managed to get the help she needed, though. it has been a couple years, but she is still getting help and is enjoying life.

the point of all that, though, was that these girls would have never gotten the help they needed had they succeeded. the attempt was successful, though, if you consider that it did get them help they needed.

if they had succeeded in killing themselves, there wasn't any real family involved to mourn, but there were people like my wife and i who loved them and other girls in the home who thought of them as sisters. they had people who had become emotionally invested in them that were trying to help. the first one is in a foster home that she has been in for a couple years and is really being taken care of and loved. the second one will probably be in group homes for a while, but will be able to cope.

they weren't alone. none of them ever really are. it usually takes them realizing that there are people who want to and can help them and their being able to accept that help.

[Carolina Husker]

Walls of text make me contemplate suicide.

[The Saltman]

Sometimes smartass sarcastic remarks make me homicidal.

[Carolina Husker]

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[The Saltman]

Insert annoying dog with glasses here.

[rayzor]

Walls of text make me contemplate suicide.

pardon me for actually sharing experiences.

[4Corners]

suicide is a mortal sin, and I view it as someone chose to end their live based on:

1. Depression. inadequate help/failure to seek it

2. "easy" way out of facing responsibilities (i.e. Kinny McKinley)

3. Being a homo with no one to talk to (read Dan Savage)

I think it is wrong, but I do think that people who are sick/suffering deserve a chance to die with dignity.

[4Corners]

I've had a good friend commit suicide and it is awful. I can't imagine what his family went through. I spoke at his funeral and the look on his Dad's face when we were speaking was surreal and has been permanently tattooed on my brain and something I will never forget. this was 8 years ago.

[Carolina Husker]

We're way past that.