Suicide.

[Kettle]

I'm with Inimicus on this. If inner turmoil is so great that you want to kill yourself you're just being weak. No one worth a damn sits around feeling sorry for themselves.

[hank pimple butt]

If its in the name of Allah! no problem.

[PanthaSan]

Deep subject.

You/we never know what kind of demons those close to us have. Most folks do a pretty good job of masking it to the extent of nobody realizing it until they do the deed.

Others are doing the classic "plea for help" and have no real intent on doing it but as time goes on, they see it as the only way out.

Sad, sad indeed.

Me, I have chosen to accept the fact that I will prolly end up in hell (if it exists) for the things I have done and my only fallback will be the "I was under orders and a priest said I can't go to hell for anything I did under those circumstances."

I had a buddy who was gonna do it. I knew him from Day 1 and he was a very good soldier. He seemed very "normal" and we would have psych evals as part of debriefing but he got passed all that. His wife called another buddy when she found him with a .45 and telling her that everything will be fine. My other buddy got there in time to stop him.

We never found out why he tried to off himself but he got reassigned to Headquarters Group and never went back out with us.

[sharkkiller]

I agree with some points from both sides. I feel that suicide is very selfish in most cases. (The aforementioned illness or injuries aside) If whatever you are going through is enough for you to kill yourself, you have to be a very selfish individual to leave you surviving family and/or friends to deal with those problems. They do not go away once you are gone in most cases.

From a "religious" viewpoint, I have always been taught that to get into heaven, you have to repent fro your sins. Repent and turn away. Repenting requires you to ask for forgiveness and to commit to not doing it again. If you succeed in killing yourself, you are not able to ask for forgiveness, and therefore cannot repent.

Not trying to start a religious argument. Just stating what I was taught.

So to sum up after everyone has already said tl;dr, I think that suicide is a personal decision, but in most cases is a very selfish one, and that there are always alternatives if you just look for them.

[GritsRgreat]

Yes i do!

Long story short.

My pops died when i was ten. Mom had remarried to my stepfather with whom i did not get along. Altercations led to fist fights led to me getting kicked out of the house @ 16.

As i grew older i became aware that most of the problems between us were my fault. My stepfather is/was a hard ass but a hard worker and a dam good husband for my mom. You should see the house and other things he busted his ass for to give her the life she wanted. The man never missed a day of work but once he got a kidney stone, went to the hospital, passed the stone and went back to work on the nightshift to makeup for the missed time. Also a volunteer firefighter, a vet and constantly working in the yard or at the Mt cabin or hell, anywheres. The man was none stop.

To get to the point... He's done, spent, used up. parkinson's and old age has put him in a wheelchair/bed, thats it. Out of love for my mom and respect for him i've taken the time to help them anyway i can on a daily basis. I'm not going to get into the things i do to make life just alittle bit better but i'll bet you can imagine.

To see what has become of his life after knowing just what kind of man he was is shocking. Your can tell he is hating the world right now but he puts on a strong face for my mom. He's told me things in private that i will not share.

To close.... i will not end my days like that! Sorry but if i see such a thing happening to me i will blow my brains out without a second thought. I have told this to my own daughter (20) and she understands completely.

that is all.

[bleys]

do I promote suicide? no.

but if you have never felt bone chilling depression, I wouldn't expect anyone could understand why those thoughts would cross their mind.

it's easy to judge someone when you cannot relate to such feelings. that's like me looking at someone with diabetes and telling them they should just start making their own insulin..

would be pretty ignorant of me right?

people don't kill themselves because they had a bad day. they kill themselves after years of excruciating depression, a feeling words could never describe..

[Wither]

What about murder? Who is going to do the parody thread?

[Jase]

Self preservation is the top human instinct. It is imprinted in our DNA. Imagine the strength of emotion powerful enough to counter that.

Like turning down a steak dinner after weeks of starvation. Or a virgin turning down the advances of a naked scarlett johansson. Only stronger.

[GritsRgreat]

people don't kill themselves because they had a bad day. they kill themselves after years of excruciating depression, a feeling words could never describe..

I lost a friend to this... Beautiful girl, fun loving made all the people around her happy but her demons drove her to the end.

A waste:(

[bleys]

Self preservation is the top human instinct. It is imprinted in our DNA. Imagine the strength of emotion powerful enough to counter that.

Like turning down a steak dinner after weeks of starvation. Or a virgin turning down the advances of a naked scarlett johansson. Only stronger.

very good point..

majority of people couldn't imagine that.. yet would judge it as if they could.

I lost a friend to this... Beautiful girl, fun loving made all the people around her happy but her demons drove her to the end.

A waste:(

it's tough, no doubt.. I wouldn't go as far as to excuse it.. but what's ignorant is that people think the family hurts more than the person was.. just read this thread, it's already been stated.

I'm not using the term "ignorant" to mean degrading, stupid or retarded, but in the light of what the actual word means: lack of knowledge..

[Bronn]

It sounds like I'm kinda on the same track with bleys on this one...

If someone wants to off themselves, who am I to say they can't?

With that said, I feel like:

1.) If you're going to go that route, make it known to the people around you who love you (if there are any). Let them know, so that they have time to deal with it and it doesn't catch them by surprise. Make your peace before you end it all, else you're putting your own pain on someone else.

2.) To borrow a quote from The Crow, "It can't rain all the time..."

I see suicide as "giving up" in fear of never seeing a better day. Unfortunately, I could understand how people could get so low that they would just give up.

If I had nothing left in this world, and no sight of any light at the end of the tunnel, I'd consider it.

If I had some incurable disease that was basically going to eat at me slowly and surely with no hope of a cure/comfort, I'd consider it then too.

Suicide can be very selfish, as some here have said... but it can also be very selfless in other cases...

[Bronn]

Also, if I ever off myself it isn't going to be something that someone else has to clean up... I'll walk right into the ocean, and keep right on swimming until I get tired and drown...

[bleys]

for the record, I don't think there is an appropriate pathway to suicide..

I just wouldn't make ridiculous claims like it's selfish because the family hurts, while entirely discounting the pain that person is going through. To such a degree they would go against (as Jase said) their natural instinct of self-preservation and off themselves..

[bleys]

for the record, I don't think there is an appropriate pathway to suicide..

I just wouldn't make a judgement on a situation while entirely discounting the pain that person is going through. To such a degree they would go against (as Jase said) their natural instinct of self-preservation and off themselves..

it is what it is.. (one of few times to say that.. lol)

you don't have to like, agree, or feel content with someone's decision, but I also wouldn't pretend I could relate if I've never been through it..