Any Mike Goodson highlights?

[bleys]

for the record, now is about the time conversations turn into "you're just hating on this person or that person"..

I think everyone agrees DWill and Stewart are both talented players.

I just think it's a bit ridiculous to claim DWill's skill set is head and shoulders above Stews.. you would have to ignore the hundreds of big backs who have succeeded in the league for that to be true.

[CRA]

for the record, now is about the time conversations turn into "you're just hating on this person or that person"..

I think everyone agrees DWill and Stewart are both talented players.

I just think it's a bit ridiculous to claim DWill's skill set is head and shoulders above Stews.. you would have to ignore the hundreds of big backs who have succeeded in the league for that to be true.

yep, and ignore where they both are in their careers

[bleys]

if we were to talk game plans.. It would make more sense to me to have Stew punish the defense and have DWill come in to shred them once wore down..

[CRA]

if we were to talk game plans.. It would make more sense to me to have Stew punish the defense and have DWill come in to shred them once wore down..

Fox practiced the opposite.....only to abandon the run game often.

I get people LOVE Williams and I do as well. But I think people have blinders on about what is gonna happen with his game the next 2 seasons......and the potential Stewart as.

[Cat'sGrowl]

hey guys lets all ask number28 for an honest objective opinion on our runningbacks

[SorthNarolina]

I think what's coming up a lot are excuses for Stewart. No matter what they are, it doesn't really encourage a bid to be a team's primary threat.

The excuse that he needs carries to be effective doesn't hold any water. All backs do better when they get more carries because teams run more when they are playing well. So for most backs, their team will win the games where they have gotten a large amount of carries. They will also get more carries if they are playing well. Correlation does not imply causation.

Fox did not show much favoritism towards Williams over Stewart. He drafted him 13th overall and had Stewart much more involved in the offense in 2008 than Williams's rookie season in 2006. I think Stewart just didn't get carries on certain days because he wasn't the man for the job.

Then we have the issue of Stewart's alleged health problems. If you feel Stewart was healthy then he's just not an effective running back when the O-line isn't having a good game. If you think he was ineffective because he wasn't healthy well then that just makes his reliability as shaky as Williams. He's done well about dressing on game day but who cares if he's going to be so ineffective.

If the team re-signs Williams and Stewart ends up being named starter and gets the majority of carries then that's dandy. He's an excellent running back I just haven't seen anything to show he should be a primary running back. He can be shut down too easily. He needs other players around him. That rings true for every player in the league. But for some more than others.

Maybe having competent QB play will open things up a bit, it's hard to evaluate things in 2010 due to the train wreck of a season. But compartmentalized within the Panthers Williams was much more effective, considering Williams has almost always been the more effective back in the 2 previous seasons I don't think it's a stretch so say he was more effective in 2010 too.

[SorthNarolina]

if you go by what coaches and players say on every little thing, then you obviously have never heard of "coach speak"..

yes, everyone said he was healthy. Stew said he was healthy for the 1st time at the beginning of the season, however rumors did start to come out mid-season about another possible injury going unmentioned for Stew..

whether we take that with a grain of salt or not, it was mentioned. no need to put the blinders on for that.

Williams averaging 60 yards a game isn't exactly "still producing something effective"..

it was a lot more effective than Stewart. If we had a competent QB I think the story would be just like it was in 2008 and 2009. Williams would have played very well with Stewart playing almost as well with maybe a few hiccups here or there.

The injury concerns were addressed and dismissed. It's not putting the blinders over an inconvenient fact. It's reviving a dead rumor. Lots of things in the press get mentioned or speculated.

I think Stewart would rather blame himself than to blame the O-line which he did once he finally got a chance to start. I doubt a running back would ever want to mention the O-line unless they were really frustrated. It was the O-line. Not until the O-line improved could Stewart improve. He hasn't shown that he can carry a team. He had those really good games against the Steelers and Vikings. With adequate run blocking Stewart can dominate a good defense.

If Chud puts in a less run oriented offense and the O-line stays healthy then we'll be fine. But the last 3 years has not left me feeling secure in Stewart's abilities as a primary threat.

[CRA]

I think what's coming up a lot are excuses for Stewart. No matter what they are, it doesn't really encourage a bid to be a team's primary threat.

The excuse that he needs carries to be effective doesn't hold any water. All backs do better when they get more carries because teams run more when they are playing well. So for most backs, their team will win the games where they have gotten a large amount of carries. They will also get more carries if they are playing well. Correlation does not imply causation.

Fox did not show much favoritism towards Williams over Stewart. He drafted him 13th overall and had Stewart much more involved in the offense in 2008 than Williams's rookie season in 2006. I think Stewart just didn't get carries on certain days because he wasn't the man for the job.

Then we have the issue of Stewart's alleged health problems. If you feel Stewart was healthy then he's just not an effective running back when the O-line isn't having a good game. If you think he was ineffective because he wasn't healthy well then that just makes his reliability as shaky as Williams. He's done well about dressing on game day but who cares if he's going to be so ineffective.

If the team re-signs Williams and Stewart ends up being named starter and gets the majority of carries then that's dandy. He's an excellent running back I just haven't seen anything to show he should be a primary running back. He can be shut down too easily. He needs other players around him. That rings true for every player in the league. But for some more than others.

Maybe having competent QB play will open things up a bit, it's hard to evaluate things in 2010 due to the train wreck of a season. But compartmentalized within the Panthers Williams was much more effective, considering Williams has almost always been the more effective back in the 2 previous seasons I don't think it's a stretch so say he was more effective in 2010 too.

age. you seem to want to ignore how HUGE that is for those who play this position. There is no huge talent gap between the two....what you have is a RB on the backside of his career vs. one still running toward his prime. That alone suggest Stewart will become the main threat over Williams over the course of the next 2 seasons.

also, the run game over the past 2 seasons has been better in the games Williams has been hurt vs. healthy.....something else not being addressed.

[SorthNarolina]

age. you seem to want to ignore how HUGE that is for those who play this position. There is no huge talent gap between the two....what you have is a RB on the backside of his career vs. one still running toward his prime. That alone suggest Stewart will become the main threat over Williams over the course of the next 2 seasons.

also, the run game over the past 2 seasons has been better in the games Williams has been hurt vs. healthy.....something else not being addressed.

I'm not ignoring that. Stewart can start and have the majority of the carries. Williams staying doesn't mean Williams starts. But if he's the primary threat I will be very apprehensive. Williams can play a good 4-5 years and still be valuable. By the time Williams would be in the golden years it would be Stewart approaching 30 years old. That sounds really ideal to me. The team is much better with both of them on the field and we have a rookie QB. We need a big stable of RBs.

I don't understand the logic behind saying the run game has been better without Williams. I don't think he's the problem. The run game didn't show much life at all until both Williams and Stewart were not even playing. I doubt a running game gets better when you lose both of your runningbacks unless the running game was being hindered by other problems, like run blocking or QB play.

[CRA]

I'm not ignoring that. Stewart can start and have the majority of the carries. Williams staying doesn't mean Williams starts. But if he's the primary threat I will be very apprehensive. Williams can play a good 4-5 years and still be valuable. By the time Williams would be in the golden years it would be Stewart approaching 30 years old. That sounds really ideal to me. The team is much better with both of them on the field and we have a rookie QB. We need a big stable of RBs.

I don't understand the logic behind saying the run game has been better without Williams. I don't think he's the problem. The run game didn't show much life at all until both Williams and Stewart were not even playing. I doubt a running game gets better when you lose both of your runningbacks unless the running game was being hindered by other problems, like run blocking or QB play.

Odds are HIGHLY against Williams being valuable at 32-33 years of age. He hasn't even been healthy the last 2 years....with his mileage entering the NFL that just doesn't seem realistic.

I don't think Williams is the problem, just pointing out when he has gone down the ground game has thrived.

I hope we keep Williams. I just dont' want him getting the bulk of the load the next 2 seasons.....that is wasting Stewarts prime years.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

hey guys lets all ask number28 for an honest objective opinion on our runningbacks

that's what i've been doing since 2008.

funny...people are saying now a lot of the same things i've been saying since then.

[SorthNarolina]

Odds are HIGHLY against Williams being valuable at 32-33 years of age. He hasn't even been healthy the last 2 years....with his mileage entering the NFL that just doesn't seem realistic.

Well if that's true then it's probably not realistic to expect Stewart to handle the bulk of the carries either. He's had extreme difficulty staying healthy these last few seasons.

I don't think Williams is the problem, just pointing out when he has gone down the ground game has thrived.

If Williams isn't the problem then there really isn't much use to pointing it out. He makes the team better. Chud's system probably doesn't favor the run game as much, but with Newton being a rookie I think the only way to start winning again is with a top 3 run game. The team is capable of following the model of the 04 steelers, 08 ravens, and 09 jets. All of those teams made the AFC championship with a rookie QB, strong run game, and good defense. Williams ensures that.

I hope we keep Williams. I just dont' want him getting the bulk of the load the next 2 seasons.....that is wasting Stewarts prime years.

I think everybody wants the same thing. If people think I want Williams to start or get the bulk of the carries I think they are misunderstanding me. I want all 3 runningbacks even Sutton involved. Goodson is easily the best reciever and returner. Williams doesn't fumble and he also has the best natural instincts. I want him for the important stuff like 4th quarter close outs. Stewart is there for the rest. I think he should stay around the mark of 15 carries a game though.

[CRA]

Well if that's true then it's probably not realistic to expect Stewart to handle the bulk of the carries either. He's had extreme difficulty staying healthy these last few seasons.

If Williams isn't the problem then there really isn't much use to pointing it out. He makes the team better. Chud's system probably doesn't favor the run game as much, but with Newton being a rookie I think the only way to start winning again is with a top 3 run game. The team is capable of following the model of the 04 steelers, 08 ravens, and 09 jets. All of those teams made the AFC championship with a rookie QB, strong run game, and good defense. Williams ensures that.

I think everybody wants the same thing. If people think I want Williams to start or get the bulk of the carries I think they are misunderstanding me. I want all 3 runningbacks even Sutton involved. Goodson is easily the best reciever and returner. Williams doesn't fumble and he also has the best natural instincts. I want him for the important stuff like 4th quarter close outs. Stewart is there for the rest. I think he should stay around the mark of 15 carries a game though.

It is much more realistc to assume a 24 -25 yr old RB who has never missed a game can handle the load over the course of the next 2 years than it is to assume a 32-33 yr old RB is an asset to your backfield.

Chud's system does favor the run game....at least what he has shown when his offense is on display. Probably just as much as Fox.....

again, I never said Williams was a problem...just that he shouldn't get the bulk of the work over the next 2 years.

[Cat'sGrowl]

DeAngelo has a video up on his Facebook page of him beating Stewy in a foot race.