People think Johnson isn't elite...

[bleys]

wasn't there somebody who started a thread a while ago showing that Brown was actually better than we thought using stats?

pretty sure this is the 3rd or 4th thread for CJ...

[rayzor]

wasn't there somebody who started a thread a while ago showing that Brown was actually better than we thought using stats?

i think so.

might have been me. sounds familiar.

[bigdog10]

Get him some help on the interior and he becomes nearly unstoppable

[Sam Mills Fan]

Based on what...? He was consistent in all departments throughout the season...

Stats don't mean a thing when it comes to how well someone is playing. Otherwise we could have had meaningful conversations about Keary Colbert's chances of becoming elite his second season. It's all about the eyeball test and CJ was just a guy the first half of the season that did a great job of being in the right place in the right time. Remember that good year Jordan Carstens had? Think that only a bit better.

[Fiz]

the more hype there is around charles johnson, the more expensive he becomes.

yeah teams really care about the message board contingent

[Fiz]

rayzor i think i speak for the entire board when I say you should stop posting entirely and just like go off and live on a mountain with nature.

[B.BERSIN]

where is no.90?

[Urrymonster]

Stats don't mean a thing when it comes to how well someone is playing. Otherwise we could have had meaningful conversations about Keary Colbert's chances of becoming elite his second season. It's all about the eyeball test and CJ was just a guy the first half of the season that did a great job of being in the right place in the right time. Remember that good year Jordan Carstens had? Think that only a bit better.

I think you are really clouding the type of season CJ had, especially as you compared it to Carstens and Colbert. Both had solid seasons for players no one expected to even play.

Johnson led the league in defensive stops from 4-3 DE, was one of the best 4-3 DEs in the run game AND has shown he is in the top 10 for pass rushing over the last 3 years. I really don't understand how you can compare that to Colbert and Carstens...

Thing is, we needed CJ to deliver due to Pep leaving and he did more than anyone expected. He built on his great play as a role player (despite playing enough to almost be on a par with Brayton) from the two prior years and then smashed that this year.

[Urrymonster]

where is no.90?

He is a great player, but not a consistent pass rusher. The things that make him elite are the things he does on top of rushing the passer.

[nagai]

Who cares, let everyone think what they want. Wait till Beason and CJ dominate this year.

Pretty much. You guys care way too much about what the media and stuff has to say. I'm confident in the team, confident enough not to care what other people say.

[panthers55]

CJ had a fantastic year and seems poised to do it again. But the argument could be made that his one good year came in a contract year when most players step it up. For him to be elite he has to do it after he gets the big bucks and in a different system like Rivera or wherever he lands. If he does that, then he may be joining the ranks of an elite player.

[rayzor]

rayzor i think i speak for the entire board when I say you should stop posting entirely and just like go off and live on a mountain with nature.

:lol:

i'll think about it.

[rayzor]

yeah teams really care about the message board contingent

i was referring to hype and attention he was getting from writers...not clowns on a message board or those jokes who write for bleacher report.

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